[Milton-L] Milton on the WWW

Bryson, Michael E michael.bryson at csun.edu
Mon Sep 10 15:37:13 EDT 2018


Well, to be fair, Milton wrote the line *for* "Satan."

Michael Bryson

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Love and its Critics: From the Song of Songs to Shakespeare and Milton’s Eden (Cambridge: Open Book, 2017)

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From: Brendan Prawdzik
Date: Mon, Sep 10, 2018 12:27 PM
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I've seen about a hundred uses of "The mind is its own place" at clever mall stores and museum shops across the world.  Always attributed to Milto ---> not Satan.

https://www.amazon.com/Milton-heaven-wisdom-English-birthday/dp/B07GXP7DX2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1536607483&sr=8-3&keywords=milton+%22mind+is+its+own+place%22<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Milton-2Dheaven-2Dwisdom-2DEnglish-2Dbirthday_dp_B07GXP7DX2_ref-3Dsr-5F1-5F3-3Fie-3DUTF8-26qid-3D1536607483-26sr-3D8-2D3-26keywords-3Dmilton-2B-2522mind-2Bis-2Bits-2Bown-2Bplace-2522&d=DwMFaQ&c=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U&r=SVEkja9Nrd6Hg1GH7TdeI3785MSpURszHIkHGHr1feU&m=gZm-fW5ZnDiegtNuslDwf5Mw33SM47w1j0pt43UMC-o&s=6xzwSslobll7Z_dCPOXNxJGY8ufpYIO8KlMhrsQRhS8&e=>

BP

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 3:17 PM JCarl Bellinger <dionhalic at gmail.com<mailto:dionhalic at gmail.com>> wrote:
The last part of Frost's line:  "The woods are lovely, dark and deep" which  may well be a direct borrowing from Milton's
" rising world of waters dark and deep" is wounded mortally by the comma-happy editor who has "lovely, dark, and deep."  You could say both poems are hurt by this but I think Milton's just disappears.
The pointing in paradise lost is minimal, and it's not agreed what Milton's principle of pointing might be, if he even had one.Or is he just terribly inconsistent? Or were the compositors  negligent, or pretending to be happy editors in their domain? Did they need better glasses? In any case errant punctuation can violently alter the sense, and always distorts the spoken cadence –the aptness of the numbers. So say goodbye to "the true musical delight which consists only in apt numbers… and the sense variously drawn out from one verse into another."
Carl





On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:06 AM James Rovira <jamesrovira at gmail.com<mailto:jamesrovira at gmail.com>> wrote:
My first response to both questions below is, "Yes." My first thought, actually, was a quotation from Areopagitica:

"In this one thing I crave leave of the present licencers to be pardon'd for so thinking: who doubtlesse took this office up, looking on it through their obedience to the Parlament, whose command perhaps made all things seem easie and unlaborious to them; but that this short triall hath wearied them out already, their own expressions and excuses to them who make so many journeys to sollicit their licence, are testimony anough. Seeing therefore those who now possesse the imployment, by all evident signs wish themselves well ridd of it, and that no man of worth, none that is not a plain unthrift of his own hours is ever likely to succeed them..."

Jim


On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:53 AM Gregory Machacek <Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu<mailto:Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu>> wrote:





How many more misattributions, or half-truths, have people on our list noticed, with regard to Milton and related matters? Would it be a public service, and help our students, if we could assemble a blacklist and make it known? Or would it be a dreary or needless chore?



















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