[Milton-L] Appropriation of Areopagitica

Nancy Charlton charltonwordorder1 at gmail.com
Fri Aug 3 02:45:55 EDT 2018


I can’t resist that one of the more disheartening actions by the current
traitor-in-Chief is the licensing of trophy hunts of such creatures as the
“elephant with his lithe proboscis.”

Nancy Charlton



On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:05 PM Bryson, Michael E <michael.bryson at csun.edu>
wrote:

> Brendan Prawdzik suggests the possibility that the Milton of 1667 (or
> later) might have disagreements with the Milton of 1644.
>
> Seems reasonable to me. But what differences? That's the interesting part.
>
> Michael Bryson
>
> https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3383-8101
>
> Love and its Critics: From the Song of Songs to Shakespeare and Milton’s
> Eden (Cambridge: Open Book, 2017)
>
> https://www.openbookpublishers.com/product/611
> https://youtu.be/gx725xGEvbc  <https://youtu.be/gx725xGEvbc>(The argument
> of the book
> https://amazon.com/author/michaelbryson
>
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *Brendan Prawdzik
> *Date: *Thu, Aug 2, 2018 8:54 PM
> *To: *John Milton Discussion List;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*Re: [Milton-L] Appropriation of Areopagitica
>
> I'm wary of presentism and often position myself against it.  But Jim
> clearly aligns himself with a type of presentism, and I respect where he's
> coming from.  I recognize that academia includes strident voices for
> presentism, often to an effect that bends the literature to the detriment
> of its credibility and cultural survival.  Nonetheless, there is a
> discussion that is going on, even if there might be a post or two that one
> can easily leap over with one's eyes.  I don't think that anyone has
> crossed bounds of decorum, given that this is an academic *listserv*.  I
> would encourage Arlene to contribute meaningfully and not purely
> negatively, and I would encourage Salwa that voting "support" for a
> position against making a congenial aside about voting (not about Milton)
> is counter-to-purpose.
>
> Brendan
>
> ps ... Was Milton a presentist?
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:31 PM, Salwa <skhoddam at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> I support Arlene.
>>
>> Salwa
>>
>>
>>
>> Salwa Khoddam, PhD.
>>
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>> *From:* milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu [mailto:
>> milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu] *On Behalf Of *Arlene Stiebel
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 2, 2018 9:23 PM
>> *To:* John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at richmond.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Milton-L] Appropriation of Areopagitica
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bern baby Bern" is not about the GOP.  Nor guns.
>>
>>
>>
>> Will the Moderator please step in?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:18 PM, James Rovira <jamesrovira at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I think we should keep in mind that the topic came up because of its
>> connection to Milton, who was consummately political in ways that still
>> (obviously) matter today. I think the question of what Milton might think
>> about gun control with knowledge of our current kinds of guns and what has
>> been done with them is an interesting one. If we apply his principles of
>> freedom of speech and of the press in *Areopagitica* to gun control, he
>> would want the issue subject to vigorous debate in public, and he wouldn't
>> think twice about banning guns, or any kind of guns, if that was the
>> conclusion that our reason and morality led to -- just as he was willing to
>> burn books after they've been read and discussed if they were unlicensed
>> and the authors were not identified, but the books themselves were found to
>> be "mischievous":
>>
>>
>>
>> "And as for regulating the Presse, let no man think to have the honour of
>> advising ye better then your selves have done in that Order publisht next
>> before this, that no book be Printed, unlesse the Printers and the Authors
>> name, or at least the Printers be register'd. Those which otherwise come
>> forth, if they be found mischievous and libellous, the fire and the
>> executioner will be the timeliest and the most effectuall remedy, that mans
>> prevention can use."
>>
>>
>>
>> If I offended you by pointing out fault for the murderous, profit-driven,
>> inhumane and criminal stance of the GOP on gun control, you have a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've had my say about the topic, though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim R
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> PhD The University of California, Berkeley, 2009
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