[Milton-L] Leaving the Milton listserv

David Urban dvu2 at calvin.edu
Sun Nov 5 20:47:55 EST 2017


Sorry to hear you've been ill.

I greatly appreciate your perspective on Terrance.



From: milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu <milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu> on behalf of horacejeffery at gmail.com <horacejeffery at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 7:54:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Leaving the Milton listserv

I have been out of the loop this semester (heavy teaching load and a bout with pneumonia that landed me in the hospital for several days), so I missed out on what started the current troubles.

I merely wish to note that Terrance has had a serious interest in illustrating Milton since the late seventies and in understanding Milton's ideas for even longer. Opinions will naturally differ as to his success in either of those endeavors.

In my offlist acquaintance with Terrance, I have found him generous and helpful. I do not think him a troll online, but more of a 'trickster' - a role he ought not to have adopted on the Milton List.

I also do not agree with his blanket dismissal of the 'scholarly' value of this listserve. Moreover, I know that he respects a number of scholars here, so I can only assume that his emotions got the best of him.

I wish there had been a different resolution to the issue, but what's done is done.

Jeffery Hodges

Sent from my iPad

On 2017. 11. 6., at 오전 6:41, "Schwartz, Louis" <lschwart at richmond.edu<mailto:lschwart at richmond.edu>> wrote:

Just in case some of you have put his email address on “ignore” and therefore did not see the post he sent early today, Terrance Lindall has decided on his own to unsubscribe from the list.  He has also agreed to remove the quotations from list-member posts he had added, without permission, to the text that accompanies his image.

If any of you have questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me off list.

All the best to everyone,



Louis Schwartz

Professor of English

Chair, Department of English

University of Richmond

Richmond, VA  23173

Office:  Ryland Hall 308

(804) 289-8315

lschwart at richmond.edu<mailto:lschwart at richmond.edu>

From: <milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu<mailto:milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu>> on behalf of Shannon Reed <shannon.reed at gmail.com<mailto:shannon.reed at gmail.com>>
Reply-To: John List <milton-l at richmond.edu<mailto:milton-l at richmond.edu>>
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: John List <milton-l at richmond.edu<mailto:milton-l at richmond.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Leaving the Milton listserv

Dear Colleagues:

Like Ryan Paul, I have been more of a lurker than a contributor. I have appreciated the conversations and have occasionally benefited from advice (it's thanks to this list and the encouragement of some members that I began a successful marathon reading of Paradise Lost at Cornell College).

As you all consider how you want to handle the recent trolling on this listserv, I wanted to endorse one of the suggestions that's been made: ignore Terrance Lindall.

I used to be a member of the 18th-century listserv. Some years ago, that list was similarly plagued--in their case by a fanatic devotee of the Marquis de Sade.  That person hijacked every discussion and created a lot of mischief.

The members of the listserv decided not to ban him, but they all agreed never to respond to anything he posted.  The solution required the agreement and the participation of every member--but it worked. They ignored him and eventually he gave up.

Unlike some, I intend to continue lurking. My job has changed and I spend more of my time reading about faculty development than about Milton these days. I treasure the conversation here all the more since it keeps me connected to what I've always valued in academe--listening to the smart kids talk about interesting stuff.

Besides, if I want political BS, I can always check my facebook page.

As a sometimes Quaker, I hope you adopt the policy of shunning Mr. Lindall. It worked in the 17th century, and it can work today.


Shannon L. Reed, Ph.D.

Professor and Director, Center for Excellence in Teaching and Learning

Regis University

Denver, CO

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Tony Demarest <tonydemarest at hotmail.com<mailto:tonydemarest at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Dear List-

I am retired from Felician University for 2.5 years- but during my active period, I taught Milton five times to an ever growing audience- but I know much of what I know about JM has been honed and refined by the generous scholars who post here. I and my past students thank you and wish for nothing more than my continued joy in reading your posts, and sending me back to the poet time and time again.
I hope we can return to civility and expanding insights-


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