[Milton-L] Credited Wiki

Salwa skhoddam at cox.net
Fri Nov 3 18:31:30 EDT 2017


With all due respect, though your posting lacks respect, you can't argue
against an image, can you?

Salwa

 

Salwa Khoddam, PhD.

Professor of English, Emerita

Oklahoma City University

 

From: milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu [mailto:milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu]
On Behalf Of Watt, James
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 4:39 PM
To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at richmond.edu>
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki

 

My friends: Mr. Lindall is obviously teasing us all. And remember 'de
gustibus.' A friend sent me a note about the students at Indiana University
wishing to 'censor' a Grant Wood painting which includes --in a negative
light-- some people dressed in KKK robes. The painting in question reflects
a moment in Indiana history when the influence of the KKK in state
government was exposed and the state was embarassed enough to take action
against it. Of course, there are still KKK chapters in Indiana and, for all
I know, in every state in the union. But there are also persons who believe
in alien abduction and Satanic rituals being performed in Pizza Parlors in
Washington D.C. ... or was that child sex slaves?  I remember when Butler
University, back I think in the late seventies? decided to circulate and
publish student evaluations. I taught a sophomore, non-major course called
"The Changing Image of Man" which included a Gilgamesh version, Matthew's
Gospel from the N.T., Voltaire's Candide, ... you get the picture. I think
the final text was Flaubert's 'Un Cour Simple' (in translation). Well, three
or four students reported that all we ever talked about in the course was
sex and violence and they hated the course and me. The following semester,
and you're not surprised to read it, I know, my enrollment in that class
tripled and we had to find a bigger classroom. Proof again that there's no
such thing as bad publicity.

 

I know things are harder now for those of you teaching, what with the notion
that to find another's language or dress or physical appearance or politics
or religion, ad infinitum must not be judged no matter what extent the
person has gone to in order to attract judgement (hello Mr. Lindall) for
fear of being accused of insensitivity and cultural oppression.  I remember,
for instance, various groups on campus used to announce days when people
should wear certain colors to support them and their cause. I'm sure that
wouldn't work now because other groups would find ways to mock those trying
to appear sympathetic to the group sponsoring the color. If I were teaching
Milton or Blake or Hemingway or Faulkner or Homer or Aristophanes or
Rabelais or Voltaire or Twain or Hawthorne or Melville or Donne or Dylan
Thomas these days I believe I would post the following notice on my door:

 

Dr. Watt will almost certainly offend students' religious, political,
aesthetic, digestive, and emotional beliefs, attitudes, affiliations and
affections on a regular basis as the study of literature involves the
complete range of human behaviour and thought across a span from the
beginnings of literacy around 2100 B.C.E. with the Epic of Gilgamesh to the
most recent novels, short stories, poems, plays and film scripts. Inside
that relatively narrow space (five or six thousand years) of homo sapiens'
existence on the planet (which is currently estimated at around 200,000
years ) just about everything said or done has been 'offensive' to some
other members of the species and censorship is as old as obscenity and
blasphemy. 

 

Indeed, one man's deeply held beliefs are almost certainly another man's
heresy.  if you want to study medicine, you must study disease as well as
health --and if you want to study literature you must study curses as well
as blessings and evil deeds as well as heroic ones. I cannot, therefore,
promise you that what you read will not offend as much as delight you,
knowing that what delights one of you is bound to offend another. 

 

Nor can I claim that what I think about what we study will not offend as
many as it pleases. It isn't my job to prevent your being offended; it's to
encourage you to think for yourself and let those offended by your
conclusions find a way to demonstrate the error[s] in your reasoning -- or
shut the fuck up. 

 

I loathe those of every stripe pursuing perfection and passionately hope one
day they find it choking them to death.

 

fondly yours, unless you prefer my contempt,

 

jim watt 

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From: milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu <mailto:milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu>
<milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu <mailto:milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu> > on
behalf of Hannibal Hamlin <hamlin.hannibal at gmail.com
<mailto:hamlin.hannibal at gmail.com> >
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 11:46:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki 

 

I agree with Louis that the text only confirms the impression that the
painting is racist and reflects deep confusion about race in America as well
as about Paradise Lost. It may be honest and perhaps even on some level
well-intentioned, but it is misguided and disturbing (and not in a good
way). 

 

Hannibal

 

 

 

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Shoulson, Jeffrey
<jeffrey.shoulson at uconn.edu <mailto:jeffrey.shoulson at uconn.edu> > wrote:

It's truly ghastly.  

 

 

_____________________________________________________
Jeffrey Shoulson, Ph.D.

Interim Vice Provost for Interdisciplinary Initiatives
Doris and Simon Konover Chair in Judaic Studies
Professor of Literatures, Cultures, and Languages

University of Connecticut

352 Mansfield Road, Unit 1086

Storrs, CT 06268-1086

 

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(f) 860.486.6379 <tel:(860)%20486-6379> 

 

On Nov 3, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Margaret Thickstun <mthickst at hamilton.edu
<mailto:mthickst at hamilton.edu> > wrote:

 

We may all have looked, but I would have to agree with Salwa about this
portrait. It is appalling. 

 

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Salwa <skhoddam at cox.net
<mailto:skhoddam at cox.net> > wrote:

Dear All,

Maybe I'm too sensitive, or maybe I misinterpreted it, but I'm insulted by
Terrance Lindall's Milton Portrait.

I do wish that such postings do not find their way into our Milton
Discussion List. I do appreciate it though that the Wiki source was
credited.

Salwa

 

Salwa Khoddam, PhD.

Professor of English, Emerita

Oklahoma City University

 

From: milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu <mailto:milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu>
[mailto:milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu <mailto:milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu>
] On Behalf Of Terrance Lindall
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 11:37 AM
To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
<mailto:milton-l at lists.richmond.edu> >
Subject: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki

 

Dear Guys: 

I credited the Wiki source on my Wordpress site and WIX Site. Thanks for
pointing out my sloppiness. At the glorious age of 73 one gets a bit lazy. 

I used to be a good scholar, original research, solid reasoning and
meticulous crediting. Strong suit was logic. My Milton professor said in
praise on my final exam that I still have in my archives,  "Milton would
have reasoned thus!" Graduated Magna Cum Laude with double majors and a
double minor. 

I see Wordpress got over 90 views on that one day. Thanks for looking. 

Have you seen my latest Milton Portrait:


https://issuu.com/lindall/docs/satan_as_a_black_man_reduced


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