[Milton-L] Credited Wiki (Salwa)

Hannibal Hamlin hamlin.hannibal at gmail.com
Fri Nov 3 14:04:14 EDT 2017


John, I share your concern about the (occasional, not total) trolling and
ignorance, but are there better discussions of Milton happening online
elsewhere? If so, I'd be happy to join, but if there aren't, I'd like to
work to make the discussions here better. The latest issues have been
irritating and distracting, but I do think the general response was
appropriate and decisive.

Best,

Hannibal


On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 1:46 PM, John Staines <jdstaines at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, Salwa, you are not too sensitive.
>
> I teach on a campus that is 80% non-white, and when I teach Milton, I am
> often the only white man in the room.  My students, of all ethnicities and
> creeds, come to love Milton and his challenges.  Thinking that a Google
> search might bring one of them to such grotesquely racist images presented
> as Miltonic turns my stomach.  The explanatory text that follows the
> picture does not even deserve comment.
>
> I have resisted resigning from this list since, on occasion, it still
> produces some intellectually interesting ideas and debates.  Most scholars
> of my generation and the next left long ago or never joined. Lately,
> though, the list has mostly consisted of trolling and ignorance.  Maybe it
> is time to put it down.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Staines
> John Jay College, City University of New York
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 1:22 PM, <milton-l-request at richmond.edu> wrote:
>
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>>    1. Credited Wiki (Terrance Lindall)
>>    2. Re: Credited Wiki (Salwa)
>>    3. Re: Credited Wiki (Salwa)
>>    4. Re: Credited Wiki (Graham, Jean)
>>    5. Re: Credited Wiki (Graham, Jean)
>>    6. Re: Credited Wiki (Margaret Thickstun)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:37:01 -0400
>> From: Terrance Lindall <tlindall at gmail.com>
>> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> Subject: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Dear Guys:
>>
>> I credited the Wiki source on my Wordpress site and WIX Site. Thanks for
>> pointing out my sloppiness. At the glorious age of 73 one gets a bit lazy.
>>
>> I used to be a good scholar, original research, solid reasoning and
>> meticulous crediting. Strong suit was logic. My Milton professor said in
>> praise on my final exam that I still have in my archives,  "Milton would
>> have reasoned thus!" Graduated Magna Cum Laude with double majors and a
>> double minor.
>>
>> I see Wordpress got over 90 views on that one day. Thanks for looking.
>>
>> Have you seen my latest Milton Portrait:
>>
>> https://issuu.com/lindall/docs/satan_as_a_black_man_reduced
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>> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 11:53:12 -0500
>> From: "Salwa" <skhoddam at cox.net>
>> To: "'John Milton Discussion List'" <milton-l at richmond.edu>,    "'John
>>         Milton Discussion List'" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>> Message-ID: <006201d354c4$3cf1f750$b6d5e5f0$@cox.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Maybe I?m too sensitive, or maybe I misinterpreted it, but I?m insulted
>> by Terrance Lindall?s Milton Portrait.
>>
>> I do wish that such postings do not find their way into our Milton
>> Discussion List. I do appreciate it though that the Wiki source was
>> credited.
>>
>> Salwa
>>
>>
>>
>> Salwa Khoddam, PhD.
>>
>> Professor of English, Emerita
>>
>> Oklahoma City University
>>
>>
>>
>> From: milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu [mailto:milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu]
>> On Behalf Of Terrance Lindall
>> Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 11:37 AM
>> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> Subject: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Guys:
>>
>> I credited the Wiki source on my Wordpress site and WIX Site. Thanks for
>> pointing out my sloppiness. At the glorious age of 73 one gets a bit lazy.
>>
>> I used to be a good scholar, original research, solid reasoning and
>> meticulous crediting. Strong suit was logic. My Milton professor said in
>> praise on my final exam that I still have in my archives,  "Milton would
>> have reasoned thus!" Graduated Magna Cum Laude with double majors and a
>> double minor.
>>
>> I see Wordpress got over 90 views on that one day. Thanks for looking.
>>
>> Have you seen my latest Milton Portrait:
>>
>>
>> https://issuu.com/lindall/docs/satan_as_a_black_man_reduced
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 11:53:12 -0500
>> From: "Salwa" <skhoddam at cox.net>
>> To: "'John Milton Discussion List'" <milton-l at richmond.edu>,    "'John
>>         Milton Discussion List'" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>> Message-ID: <006201d354c4$3cf1f750$b6d5e5f0$@cox.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Maybe I?m too sensitive, or maybe I misinterpreted it, but I?m insulted
>> by Terrance Lindall?s Milton Portrait.
>>
>> I do wish that such postings do not find their way into our Milton
>> Discussion List. I do appreciate it though that the Wiki source was
>> credited.
>>
>> Salwa
>>
>>
>>
>> Salwa Khoddam, PhD.
>>
>> Professor of English, Emerita
>>
>> Oklahoma City University
>>
>>
>>
>> From: milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu [mailto:milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu]
>> On Behalf Of Terrance Lindall
>> Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 11:37 AM
>> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> Subject: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Guys:
>>
>> I credited the Wiki source on my Wordpress site and WIX Site. Thanks for
>> pointing out my sloppiness. At the glorious age of 73 one gets a bit lazy.
>>
>> I used to be a good scholar, original research, solid reasoning and
>> meticulous crediting. Strong suit was logic. My Milton professor said in
>> praise on my final exam that I still have in my archives,  "Milton would
>> have reasoned thus!" Graduated Magna Cum Laude with double majors and a
>> double minor.
>>
>> I see Wordpress got over 90 views on that one day. Thanks for looking.
>>
>> Have you seen my latest Milton Portrait:
>>
>>
>> https://issuu.com/lindall/docs/satan_as_a_black_man_reduced
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 13:01:41 -0400
>> From: "Graham, Jean" <graham at tcnj.edu>
>> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at richmond.edu>
>> Cc: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>> Message-ID:
>>         <CAH1vFy82RoDRcXVLavyUXSsZos8rx1c+n9rhuaxv97NL7yw2_Q at mail.gm
>> ail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I am also glad that the source is acknowledged, Salwa, and I find the
>> image
>> offensive.
>>
>> Jean
>>
>>
>> Dr. Jean E. Graham
>> Professor and Associate Chair
>> Department of English, The College of New Jersey
>> Bliss Hall 135 (inside Bliss 129, the department office suite)
>> office hours: M 10-12 and 1-5, T 10-10:50 and 3:30-5, F 10-10:50, and by
>> appointment
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Salwa <skhoddam at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > Maybe I?m too sensitive, or maybe I misinterpreted it, but I?m insulted
>> by
>> > Terrance Lindall?s Milton Portrait.
>> >
>> > I do wish that such postings do not find their way into our Milton
>> > Discussion List. I do appreciate it though that the Wiki source was
>> > credited.
>> >
>> > Salwa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Salwa Khoddam, PhD.
>> >
>> > Professor of English, Emerita
>> >
>> > Oklahoma City University
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu [mailto:milton-l-bounces@
>> > richmond.edu] *On Behalf Of *Terrance Lindall
>> > *Sent:* Friday, November 3, 2017 11:37 AM
>> > *To:* John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> > *Subject:* [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Guys:
>> >
>> > I credited the Wiki source on my Wordpress site and WIX Site. Thanks for
>> > pointing out my sloppiness. At the glorious age of 73 one gets a bit
>> lazy.
>> >
>> > I used to be a good scholar, original research, solid reasoning and
>> > meticulous crediting. Strong suit was logic. My Milton professor said in
>> > praise on my final exam that I still have in my archives,  "Milton would
>> > have reasoned thus!" Graduated Magna Cum Laude with double majors and a
>> > double minor.
>> >
>> > I see Wordpress got over 90 views on that one day. Thanks for looking.
>> >
>> > Have you seen my latest Milton Portrait:
>> >
>> >
>> > https://issuu.com/lindall/docs/satan_as_a_black_man_reduced
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Milton-L mailing list
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 13:01:41 -0400
>> From: "Graham, Jean" <graham at tcnj.edu>
>> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at richmond.edu>
>> Cc: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>> Message-ID:
>>         <CAH1vFy82RoDRcXVLavyUXSsZos8rx1c+n9rhuaxv97NL7yw2_Q at mail.gm
>> ail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I am also glad that the source is acknowledged, Salwa, and I find the
>> image
>> offensive.
>>
>> Jean
>>
>>
>> Dr. Jean E. Graham
>> Professor and Associate Chair
>> Department of English, The College of New Jersey
>> Bliss Hall 135 (inside Bliss 129, the department office suite)
>> office hours: M 10-12 and 1-5, T 10-10:50 and 3:30-5, F 10-10:50, and by
>> appointment
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Salwa <skhoddam at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > Maybe I?m too sensitive, or maybe I misinterpreted it, but I?m insulted
>> by
>> > Terrance Lindall?s Milton Portrait.
>> >
>> > I do wish that such postings do not find their way into our Milton
>> > Discussion List. I do appreciate it though that the Wiki source was
>> > credited.
>> >
>> > Salwa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Salwa Khoddam, PhD.
>> >
>> > Professor of English, Emerita
>> >
>> > Oklahoma City University
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu [mailto:milton-l-bounces@
>> > richmond.edu] *On Behalf Of *Terrance Lindall
>> > *Sent:* Friday, November 3, 2017 11:37 AM
>> > *To:* John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> > *Subject:* [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Guys:
>> >
>> > I credited the Wiki source on my Wordpress site and WIX Site. Thanks for
>> > pointing out my sloppiness. At the glorious age of 73 one gets a bit
>> lazy.
>> >
>> > I used to be a good scholar, original research, solid reasoning and
>> > meticulous crediting. Strong suit was logic. My Milton professor said in
>> > praise on my final exam that I still have in my archives,  "Milton would
>> > have reasoned thus!" Graduated Magna Cum Laude with double majors and a
>> > double minor.
>> >
>> > I see Wordpress got over 90 views on that one day. Thanks for looking.
>> >
>> > Have you seen my latest Milton Portrait:
>> >
>> >
>> > https://issuu.com/lindall/docs/satan_as_a_black_man_reduced
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Milton-L mailing list
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 13:22:14 -0400
>> From: Margaret Thickstun <mthickst at hamilton.edu>
>> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at richmond.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> We may all have looked, but I would have to agree with Salwa about this
>> portrait. It is appalling.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Salwa <skhoddam at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > Maybe I?m too sensitive, or maybe I misinterpreted it, but I?m insulted
>> by
>> > Terrance Lindall?s Milton Portrait.
>> >
>> > I do wish that such postings do not find their way into our Milton
>> > Discussion List. I do appreciate it though that the Wiki source was
>> > credited.
>> >
>> > Salwa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Salwa Khoddam, PhD.
>> >
>> > Professor of English, Emerita
>> >
>> > Oklahoma City University
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu [mailto:milton-l-bounces@
>> > richmond.edu] *On Behalf Of *Terrance Lindall
>> > *Sent:* Friday, November 3, 2017 11:37 AM
>> > *To:* John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> > *Subject:* [Milton-L] Credited Wiki
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Guys:
>> >
>> > I credited the Wiki source on my Wordpress site and WIX Site. Thanks for
>> > pointing out my sloppiness. At the glorious age of 73 one gets a bit
>> lazy.
>> >
>> > I used to be a good scholar, original research, solid reasoning and
>> > meticulous crediting. Strong suit was logic. My Milton professor said in
>> > praise on my final exam that I still have in my archives,  "Milton would
>> > have reasoned thus!" Graduated Magna Cum Laude with double majors and a
>> > double minor.
>> >
>> > I see Wordpress got over 90 views on that one day. Thanks for looking.
>> >
>> > Have you seen my latest Milton Portrait:
>> >
>> >
>> > https://issuu.com/lindall/docs/satan_as_a_black_man_reduced
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Milton-L mailing list
>> > Milton-L at richmond.edu
>> > Manage your list membership and access list archives at
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>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Margaret Thickstun
>> Jane Watson Irwin Professor of Literature
>> Chair, Literature and Creative Writing
>> Hamilton College
>> 198 College Hill Road
>> Clinton, NY 13323
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