[Milton-L] Poetry

Carol Barton, Ph.D., CPCM cbartonphd1 at verizon.net
Mon Sep 5 17:35:36 EDT 2016

“They would not listen, they did not know how
Perhaps they’ll listen now . . . “

I tried to warn them about this, on the Chronicle, on Milton-L, and anywhere else I thought I would be heard, almost 30 years ago. Being firmly ensconced in both worlds, I could see what was happening, little bit by little bit, as the bureaucrats got more and more enmeshed in the “business” of teaching.

I am sad to see it, being (when I can afford it, these days) one of those abominably-paid adjuncts.

Best to all,

Carol Barton

From: James Rovira 
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 5:18 PM
To: John Milton Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Poetry

I don't think it's true any longer, John, that academic bureaucracy is overwhelmingly left or far left. I think the most progressive of them almost anywhere now are center-left: like Hillary Clinton, the most progressive are pro-choice neocons. We should keep in mind that boards of state universities can be political appointees, and they will reflect or at least be unoffensive to the politics of the governor's office.  

I think it's more accurate to say that the academic bureaucracy is corporate rather than left or right. They might be pro-life or pro-choice corporate, but that's irrelevant to their management of the university or university systems. It's this corporate model and a corporate mindset that is killing humanities education at our colleges and universities, even at private institutions. I think if the whole truth were told this kind of leadership is noxious to any kind of effective education at all. It guts support where it's most desperately needed, in the core curriculum, because it doesn't understand the needs of incoming students. 

Fortunately for politicians, it's always politically expedient to blame teachers and take populist cheap shots at professors. What do those eggheads know anyhow? They think they're better than us! Keeps people from looking at the real problems, which involve massive funding cuts, the failure of K-12 education (more cuts, bad governance), and bloated spending on administration and sports while the professoriate is being adjunctified. 

Good thing people don't mind paying $40K in tuition to have their children taught by a professor making $2K a class per semester. 

Jim R

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Savoie, John <jsavoie at siue.edu> wrote:

  Some important truths in what you say Hugh, but the academic bureaucracy has been overwhelmingly left and far-left for decades. Even having a dedicated course on Milton is thought, however absurdly, by many to be stodgy, conservative and reactionary. The enemy of free-thought on campuses is hardly right-wing think tanks.

  John Savoie

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