[Milton-L] Not Milton, but a Miltonist in the NYT . . .

James Rovira jamesrovira at gmail.com
Mon Jul 25 18:15:58 EDT 2016


If you've read Miller's book, Richard, I'd love to hear what you think of
it.

Jim R

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Richard A. Strier <rastrier at uchicago.edu>
wrote:

> That's probably right.  I apologize to the list for misusing it.
>
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> *From:* milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu [milton-l-bounces at richmond.edu] on
> behalf of Bryson, Michael E [michael.bryson at csun.edu]
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 3:48 PM
> *To:* James Rovira; John Milton Discussion List
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Milton-L] Not Milton, but a Miltonist in the NYT . . .
>
> I would like to second James Rovira's hope that this list is not about to
> descend into the "lower deep still threatening to devour" that is a
> discussion of this election and either of these candidates.
>
> No good can come of it, I fear.
>
> Michael Bryson
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *James Rovira
> *Date: *Mon, Jul 25, 2016 1:31 PM
> *To: *John Milton Discussion List;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*Re: [Milton-L] Not Milton, but a Miltonist in the NYT . . .
>
> Oh dear God, not this!  I won't respond to the range of assumptions
> implicit in the words "get things done" or "not attempting miracles."
> Thousands of people are on the streets yelling "HELL NO DNC WE WON'T VOTE
> FOR HILLARY" because they believe democracy has been terribly compromised.
> That's not the kind of thing we want to "get done."
>
> Some things shouldn't get done. The kinds of things that you can
> accomplish in collusion with the current GOP majority in Congress probably
> shouldn't get done. Obama can't pass reasonable gun control regulations,
> which he very much wants to, and which should get done, but he has been
> able to get support for every military engagement he's wanted, along with a
> blank check on drone strikes, which maybe shouldn't be done.
>
> But rather than continue in this way, I'd like to recommend a book
> relevant to this list instead:
>
> *Surprise: The Poetics of the Unexpected from Milton to Austen *by
> Christopher R. Miller. I've just completed the introduction and Milton
> chapter and found it to be an engaging, instructive read. So far as I can
> tell, it could have been written in 1966 as easily as 2016 in terms of its
> approach, which is largely an intellectual history. It could have come from
> Abrams or Lovejoy. But it doesn't feel at all irrelevant or dated, and the
> writing is truly engaging. I'm happy to say that most of the academic books
> I've read lately have strived for readability, and this book is among the
> best on that point. I'd love to hear what Miltonists have to say about his
> reexamination of being "surprised by sin" in *Paradise Lost*.
>
> Jim R
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Richard A. Strier <rastrier at uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Good article EXCEPT it's turn to taking back its praise for Hillary.  The
>> "both candidates are uninspiring" seems to me a bad position.  I think
>> Hillary is a good candidate, and that she works, and will work, within the
>> realm of actual politics -- where plenty can be done, if one is not looking
>> for miracles.
>> RS
>>
>> ________________________________________
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>> Subject: [Milton-L] Not Milton, but a Miltonist in the NYT . . .
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