[Milton-L] Milton and the chalice

john rumrich rumrich at austin.utexas.edu
Wed Nov 18 09:44:00 EST 2015


No one's mentioned Comus's "baneful cup" (525), probably because it goes
without saying.  What appears to be a allusion to it occurs also in SA
(934).

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:09 AM, John K Leonard <jleonard at uwo.ca> wrote:

> To the dismay of Sir Walter Raleigh, Adam and Eve drink from coconut
> shells ("bearded husk") which is about as far from golden chalices as you
> can get (except for when they scoop the brimming stream with their bare
> hands).
>
> John
>
> On 11/18/15, *Ross Leasure *<trleasure at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Chalice," as if comes from Greek (κύλιξ) through Latin (calix), means
> simply "cup."  As such, there were most certainly wooden cups; the material
> would have been one of the very first to have been used for such a purpose
> in lieu of natural objects like leaves, shells or horns.  At least, that's
> my understanding. --Ross
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:09 AM, JCarl Bellinger <dionhalic at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Sara van den Berg!
>> -Carl
>> ps What a lovely conception: "wooden chalices and golden priests." But
>> I wonder if chalices ever were made of wood.
>>
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Sara van den Berg <vandens at slu.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Miltpon refers to "the Communion Chalice" in *Eikonoklastes*.3.558.3
>>> (Stern and Kollmeier, *Prose Concordance*).
>>> He also attacks the change from "wooden chalices and golden priests" in
>>> "former times" to '"golden Chalices and wooden Priests" (*Of
>>> Reformation *1.557.15-16).  Elsewhere he declares, "For golden chalices
>>> and wooden Priests, thank your selves" (*Animadversions * 1.717.23).
>>>
>>> There are no examples of "grail" in Milton's prose, but the Concordance
>>> lists several references to "cup." I don't know if any o them would be
>>> useful to you.
>>>
>>> Sara van den Berg
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:54 PM, JCarl Bellinger <dionhalic at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does Milton anywhere mention chalice, cup, grail?
>>>> -Carl
>>>>
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> *T. Ross Leasure, Ph.D.*
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> Dept. of English
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