[Milton-L] Enlightenment "insanity"?

Harold Skulsky hskulsky at smith.edu
Sun Nov 15 16:47:46 EST 2015


Paper grading--and (as it happens) immersion in Kant's KrV and KpV--prevent
me from speaking for myself, but I would like to associate myself with
Richard's characteristically trenchant affirmation of Enlightenment values
and Erasmus' animadversions on war.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Richard A. Strier <rastrier at uchicago.edu>
wrote:

> I'm afraid that I don't view Enlightenment values as "insanity," and I
> think that labeling them such is mere name-calling and not argumentation.
> I'll take Kant any time.  Chivalric culture has its attractions, of course,
> but I would much prefer "perpetual peace."  So would, in our period,
> Erasmus and some of his followers.  I would place Erasmus's writings on war
> way above those of Tasso or, I'm afraid, of Milton's.
>
> Evidence for the social attainments of slaves in Venice?  This is needed.
> Again, mere claims won't do.
>
> RS
>
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> >But don't you think racism was also embedded in the Renaissance . . . ?
>
> Sure. But, in its root, it was no dealing with "universal rules of a
> universal nature" (that is Enlightenment insanity), but precisely
> with: "We may be fighting you, but we will respect you _if_ you
> _concretely_ show you deserve it," e.g. in the field of culture, or in
> a battlefield. Chess play. See Cervantes' own biography, in addition
> to his masterpiece.
>
> Independently of Islam, one may want to have a look at African
> servants and maids as they appear in 16th paintings, especially those
> made by Venetian masters. They had been bought as slaves, yeah,
> slaves, in the "Christian" city of Venice that was the biggest slave
> market then. But, as soon as those black people started to partake in
> the Venetian civilization, wealth, fashion, etc., they BECAME noble,
> beautiful, etc., precisely as all others. Nothing like 19-20th century
> racist pictures.
>
> Going back to Islam, the poems of chivalry were not weekend pastimes
> but cultural manifestos (they included everything that currently is
> divided among books, essays, plays, movies, exhibitions, . . .). They
> perfectly show what society wanted to look like, and the policies to
> be adopted.
>
> But this will work only with 'Tancreds' on the one side and
> 'Arganteses' on the other side. Both sides sharing VALUES -- of which,
> blasphemy, conceit, as well as the philosophy of "One Civilization,
> One Culture, One Technology, One World Bank" are not in the list.
>
> --
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