[Milton-L] "Particular Falls"

Matthew Jordan matthewjorda at gmail.com
Wed Jan 21 23:19:18 EST 2015


Only for the "theologically / ecclesiologically relaxed"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u6XXOELs_s



On 22 January 2015 at 03:27, JD Fleming <jfleming at sfu.ca> wrote:

> Dave Allen at Large. That is all. jdf
>
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> *From: *"Matthew Jordan" <matthewjorda at gmail.com>
> *To: *"John Milton Discussion List" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, 21 January, 2015 16:00:59
> *Subject: *Re: [Milton-L] "Particular Falls"
>
> The most morally appealing version of Hell I've encountered was in a Radio
> 4 play, a 30-minute thing, some years ago, where Milton was leading someone
> around telling them what was what. The culmination was a vision of Hell in
> which bankers, politicos, I dunno maybe PR gurus, were all going about
> their business completely as normal. Perplexed, our man in the Underworld
> turns to Milton for explanation, the gist of which is that these people
> have to go on being themselves, forever and ever...
>
> This sounds to me like it must have been thought of before, but I am no
> comparative theologian...
>
> On 21 January 2015 at 23:34, James Rovira <jamesrovira at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think some of the responses about eternal hell (in Milton or in
>> Christianity) are missing some of Milton's details. Milton seems to me to
>> repeatedly emphasize the existential component of hell over the physical,
>> so that hell isn't mostly importantly a place where God "puts" damned
>> souls, but an existential state made eternal upon death:
>>
>>
>> Me miserable! which way shall I flyInfinite wrauth and infinite despair?Which
>> way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell;*        75*And, in the lowest deep, a
>> lower deepStill threatening to devour me opens wide,To which the Hell I
>> suffer seems a Heaven.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Carter: ". . . God created a universe of perfect beings who were also
>>> given
>>> free will so they could go utterly wrong, and even if they did go wrong
>>> those who by grace repented would be freed from Hell and death."
>>>
>>> Free will an instrument designed to bring about torture without end?
>>>
>>> That would not be a bad metaphor for capitalist history, but as a cosmic
>>> principle?
>>>
>>> Carrol
>>>
>>>
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> *He answered and said, I will not; but afterward he repented, and went.*
> Matt.21:29.
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