[Milton-L] "Particular Falls"

Horace Jeffery Hodges horacejeffery at gmail.com
Wed Jan 21 20:37:00 EST 2015


Actually, I was alluding to a final remark made in the same Twilight Zone
episode (if I correctly recall). I agree that Milton's heaven is far
different, not "a place where nothing ever happens" (despite The Talking
Heads' song).

Jeffery Hodges

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Stella Revard <srevard at siue.edu> wrote:

> In your heaven maybe, Jeffery--not in Milton's.  In his heaven, there is
> continual learning, new songs being sung wonderfully--superb operas and rap
> and new dances, revelations so surprising the inhabitants have to spend
> whole heavenly days and nights trying to get their minds around them.
> Heaven is indeed the City That Never Sleeps--and Paris, and London, and And
> it would seem that Milton's heavenly inhabitants can travel out to the
> human world, where they may get involved in Special Victims Unit dramas
> like that in Sodom and Gomorrah--and to worlds beyond the small human world
> of Earth, where things beyond the imagination of Rod Serling or even that
> of an impractical cat like Old Deuteronomy are going on.  So the Milton
> List should up its game considerably if it wants to visit Milton's Heaven.
> (Hint:  you can visit it if you have a copy of Milton's poems.)
>
> Carter
>
>
> On 01/21/15, *Horace Jeffery Hodges * <horacejeffery at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oddly enough, there's a place in heaven just like that . . .
>
> Jeffery Hodges
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Smith, Samuel <ssmith at messiah.edu <
> ssmith at messiah.edu>> wrote:
>
>>  My favorite Hell comes from one of Rod Serling's "Night Gallery"
>> episodes, which I saw once some 40+ years ago and have never forgotten:
>>
>>
>>  A Hell's Angel (played by a young John Astin) arrives after dying in a
>> motorcycle accident. He's quite excited to see the place. He's sent to a
>> comfortable living room and told this is his new home. He can't believe his
>> luck! After a few minutes, two middle-aged couples come into the room and
>> begin showing slides from their summer vacations, small-talking on and on
>> about their wonderful time at the beach, at the cabin, yadayadayada. After
>> about ten minutes, Astin's character goes nuts, begins screaming for fire
>> and brimstone, any torment but this never-ending, tedious review of two
>> dull middle-class vacations - he can't imagine a worse eternity.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>    Samuel Smith
>>
>>     ------------------------------
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>> *Subject:* Re: [Milton-L] "Particular Falls"
>>
>>  The most morally appealing version of Hell I've encountered was in a
>> Radio 4 play, a 30-minute thing, some years ago, where Milton was leading
>> someone around telling them what was what. The culmination was a vision of
>> Hell in which bankers, politicos, I dunno maybe PR gurus, were all going
>> about their business completely as normal. Perplexed, our man in the
>> Underworld turns to Milton for explanation, the gist of which is that these
>> people have to go on being themselves, forever and ever...
>>
>>  This sounds to me like it must have been thought of before, but I am no
>> comparative theologian...
>>
>> On 21 January 2015 at 23:34, James Rovira <jamesrovira at gmail.com <
>> jamesrovira at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think some of the responses about eternal hell (in Milton or in
>>> Christianity) are missing some of Milton's details. Milton seems to me to
>>> repeatedly emphasize the existential component of hell over the physical,
>>> so that hell isn't mostly importantly a place where God "puts" damned
>>> souls, but an existential state made eternal upon death:
>>>
>>>
>>>   Me miserable! which way shall I fly  Infinite wrauth and infinite
>>> despair?  Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell; *        75*  And,
>>> in the lowest deep, a lower deep  Still threatening to devour me opens
>>> wide,  To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heaven.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu <
>>> cbcox at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Carter: ". . . God created a universe of perfect beings who were also
>>>> given
>>>> free will so they could go utterly wrong, and even if they did go wrong
>>>> those who by grace repented would be freed from Hell and death."
>>>>
>>>> Free will an instrument designed to bring about torture without end?
>>>>
>>>> That would not be a bad metaphor for capitalist history, but as a cosmic
>>>> principle?
>>>>
>>>> Carrol
>>>>
>>>>
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