[Milton-L] Fwd: The Common Good??

Jameela Lares jameela.lares at usm.edu
Sat Oct 4 08:09:22 EDT 2014


Whoo hoo!  Thanks, David.

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Well, speaking of Milton and St. Paul's, check out what you can now read online for free:


https://archive.org/stream/johnmiltonatstpa00clar#page/n5/mode/2up​


There, Matthew--I've just made this thread thoroughly Miltonic.


Best,


David

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Can't resist one last snippet, because it concerns Milton's school, St. Paul's. When he was in the Bullingdon Club, George Osborne's nickname was "oik," on account of his attendance there.


According to the Daily Mail:

During his time in the Bullingdon Club, he was reportedly nicknamed ‘Oik’ because he had gone to St Paul’s public school instead of Eton or Harrow. A popular lark among his fellow Buller men was to hold him upside-down by the ankles and scream: ‘Who are you?’

After several ‘wrong’ answers, each followed by Mr Osborne being dropped on his head, he was finally released after squealing: ‘I am a despicable ****.’ Source<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080808/Mystery-missing-hellraisers-George-Osborne-spirits-drinking-party.html>

Do bear in mind that, according to Wikipedia,


George Gideon Oliver Osborne[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-1> (born Gideon Oliver Osborne; 23 May 1971)[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-ReferenceA-2> is a British Conservative Party<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)>politician who has been the Chancellor of the Exchequer<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_the_Exchequer> andSecond Lord of the Treasury<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Lord_of_the_Treasury> since 2010 and the Member of Parliament<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom> for Tatton<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatton_(UK_Parliament_constituency)> since 2001<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_general_election,_2001>.

Osborne comes from one of the oldest Anglo-Irish<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Irish>aristocracies<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Ascendancy>, and is the heir apparent<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heir_apparent> to the Osborne baronetcy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Baronets>.[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-3>[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-4>

On 3 October 2014 21:38, Matthew Jordan <matthewjorda at gmail.com<mailto:matthewjorda at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks, Joad!!

On 3 October 2014 21:24, Joad Raymond <joadraymond at gmail.com<mailto:joadraymond at gmail.com>> wrote:
Matthew,
Nicely done.
Best,
Joad

On 3 October 2014 19:24, Matthew Jordan <matthewjorda at gmail.com<mailto:matthewjorda at gmail.com>> wrote:
It’s also handy that we let them all keep their titles: in the UK, unlike in the US, they are effectively ink-marked. Milton’s views on the hereditary aristocracy were abundantly clear.

Cameron is the grandson of Sir William Malcolm Mount of Wasing<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasing>Place, 2nd Baronet

Cameron descends from King William IV<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_IV_of_the_United_Kingdom> and his mistress Dorothea Jordan<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothea_Jordan>through their illegitimate daughter Lady Elizabeth FitzClarence<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Hay,_Countess_of_Erroll>[11]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-11> to the fifth female generation Enid Agnes Maud Levita. His father's maternal grandmother, Stephanie Levita, née Cooper, was the daughter of Sir Alfred Cooper<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Cooper> and Lady Agnes Duff (sister of Alexander Duff, 1st Duke of Fife<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Duff,_1st_Duke_of_Fife>) and a sister of Duff Cooper, 1st Viscount Norwich<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff_Cooper>, GCMG<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St_Michael_and_St_George>, DSO<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Service_Order>, PC<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_Majesty%27s_Most_Honourable_Privy_Council>, Conservative statesman and author.[12]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-12> His paternal grandmother, Enid Levita, who married secondly in 1961 a younger son of 1st Baron Manton<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Watson,_1st_Baron_Manton>,[13]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-13>was the daughter of Arthur Levita and niece of Sir Cecil Levita<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Levita>, KCVO<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Victorian_Order> CBE<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire>, Chairman of London County Council in 1928. Through the Mantons, Cameron also has kinship with Alexander Fermor-Hesketh, 3rd Baron Hesketh<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Fermor-Hesketh,_3rd_Baron_Hesketh>, KBE<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire>,PC<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privy_Council_of_the_United_Kingdom>,[14]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-14> Conservative Chief Whip in the House of Lords 19
91–93.[nb 1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-16>Cameron's maternal grandfather was Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Mount,_2nd_Baronet>, an army officer and the High Sheriff of Berkshire<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sheriff_of_Berkshire>, and Cameron's maternal great-grandfather was Sir William Mount, 1st Baronet<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Mount,_1st_Baronet>, CBE<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire>, Conservative MP for Newbury 1910–1922. Lady Ida Matilde Alice Feilding, Cameron's great-great grandmother, was the daughter of William Feilding, 7th Earl of Denbigh<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Feilding,_7th_Earl_of_Denbigh>, GCH<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Guelphic_Order>, PC<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privy_Council_of_the_United_Kingdom>, a courtier<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtier> andGentleman of the Bedchamber<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_of_the_Bedchamber>.[16]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-17>
David Cameron is 9th great grandson of Sir Edmund Sawyer<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sir_Edmund_Sawyer&action=edit&redlink=1> (died 1676), Auditor of the Exchequer and father of MP Sir Robert Sawyer<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Robert_Sawyer> of High Clerc [1]<http://www.berkshirehistory.com/bios/rsawyer.html>, who was Attorney General during the reign of King James I<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_I> and a noted Barrister of the day, whose skills in court were remarked upon by Samuel Pepys<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pepys>.

Cameron is the nephew of Sir William Dugdale<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dugdale_(Aston_Villa_chairman)>, brother-in-law of Katherine, Lady Dugdale (died 2004)Lady-in-Waiting<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady-in-Waiting> to the Queen since 1955,[23]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-25>[24]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-26>[25]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-27> and former chairman of Aston Villa Football Club<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.>. Birmingham-born documentary filmmaker Joshua Dugdale<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Dugdale> is his cousin.[26]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-28> Cameron's other notable relations include Adam Hart-Davis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Hart-Davis>, Duff Hart-Davis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff_Hart-Davis>,[27]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-29> Boris Johnson<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson> who is the Conservative<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)> Mayor of London<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_London>; Jo Johnson<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Johnson> who is the Conservative<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)> MP<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_Parliament> for Orpington<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpington_(UK_Parliament_constituency)> and Rachel Johnson<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Johnson> (8th cousins),[28]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-30>[29]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-31>Ferdinand Mount (Formerly Sir Ferdinand Mount, 3rd Baronet)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Mount>;,[30]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-32> John Julius Norwich, 2nd Viscount Norwich<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Julius_Norwich>, CVO<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Victorian_Order>,[31]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Da
vid_Cameron#cite_note-33> and George Osborne<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne> (22nd cousin 3x removed).

It was through this union that Cameron was related to the royal family, he is fifth cousin once removed of Queen Elizabeth.[18]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-Daily_Mail_Trust_about_money-19>

Cameron is married to Samantha Gwendoline Sheffield<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Cameron>, the daughter of Sir Reginald Sheffield, 8th Baronet<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Reginald_Sheffield,_8th_Baronet> and Annabel Lucy Veronica Jones (now Viscountess Astor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annabel_Astor,_Viscountess_Astor>).

You can, if you wish, look up SamCam's ancestry, too...

Best

Matt

















On 3 October 2014 19:04, Matthew Jordan <matthewjorda at gmail.com<mailto:matthewjorda at gmail.com>> wrote:
Well, I "guess" a hermeneutic key might be found in an Education Secretary who can wax, repeatedly, about the importance of teaching Dryden in secondary schools, but can't bring himself so much as to mention Milton...

On 3 October 2014 18:43, David Urban <dvu2 at calvin.edu<mailto:dvu2 at calvin.edu>> wrote:

I guess I missed the Miltonic allusions in this video.


But in all seriousness, I don't think the John Milton Discussion List is the forum for political statements/insults unrelated to Milton.

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Dear Miltonists

On a literalist interpretation, perhaps off-topic; on a true one, not.

With all *due* apologies to anyone of a reprehensible yet over-sensitive political disposition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU

Mind you, we are going to stuff them, so none of this will happen...

Best

Matt

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