[Milton-L] Fwd: The Common Good??

Matthew Jordan matthewjorda at gmail.com
Sat Oct 4 00:04:21 EDT 2014


Although, since you've raised the internet etc., please indulge me in
drawing attention to the fact that, in the spirit of British Social
Democracy, we did say "go on, have it - it's too important to be a matter
for private interests..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee

On 4 October 2014 04:20, Matthew Jordan <matthewjorda at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well played, sir!!
>
> Best, Matt
>
> On 4 October 2014 04:05, David Urban <dvu2 at calvin.edu> wrote:
>
>>  Well, speaking of Milton and St. Paul's, check out what you can now
>> read online for free:
>>
>>
>>  https://archive.org/stream/johnmiltonatstpa00clar#page/n5/mode/2up​
>>
>>
>>  There, Matthew--I've just made this thread thoroughly Miltonic.
>>
>>
>>  Best,
>>
>>
>>  David
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu <
>> milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu> on behalf of Matthew Jordan <
>> matthewjorda at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 7:08 PM
>> *To:* John Milton Discussion List
>> *Subject:* [Milton-L] Fwd: The Common Good??
>>
>>   Can't resist one last snippet, because it concerns Milton's school,
>> St. Paul's. When he was in the Bullingdon Club, George Osborne's nickname
>> was "oik," on account of his attendance there.
>>
>>   According to the Daily Mail:
>>
>>  During his time in the Bullingdon Club, he was reportedly nicknamed
>> ‘Oik’ because he had gone to St Paul’s public school instead of Eton or
>> Harrow. A popular lark among his fellow Buller men was to hold him
>> upside-down by the ankles and scream: ‘Who are you?’
>>
>> After several ‘wrong’ answers, each followed by Mr Osborne being dropped
>> on his head, he was finally released after squealing: ‘I am a despicable
>> ****.’ Source
>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080808/Mystery-missing-hellraisers-George-Osborne-spirits-drinking-party.html>
>> Do bear in mind that, according to Wikipedia,
>>
>>   *George Gideon Oliver Osborne*[1]
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-1> (born *Gideon
>> Oliver Osborne*; 23 May 1971)[2]
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-ReferenceA-2> is
>> a British Conservative Party
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)>politician who has
>> been the Chancellor of the Exchequer
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_the_Exchequer> andSecond
>> Lord of the Treasury
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Lord_of_the_Treasury> since 2010
>> and the Member of Parliament
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom>
>>  for Tatton
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatton_(UK_Parliament_constituency)> since
>> 2001 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_general_election,_2001>.
>>
>> Osborne comes from one of the oldest Anglo-Irish
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Irish>aristocracies
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Ascendancy>, and is the heir
>> apparent <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heir_apparent> to the Osborne
>> baronetcy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Baronets>.[3]
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-3>[4]
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-4>
>>
>>
>> On 3 October 2014 21:38, Matthew Jordan <matthewjorda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Joad!!
>>>
>>> On 3 October 2014 21:24, Joad Raymond <joadraymond at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matthew,
>>>> Nicely done.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Joad
>>>>
>>>> On 3 October 2014 19:24, Matthew Jordan <matthewjorda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  It’s also handy that we let them all keep their titles: in the UK,
>>>>> unlike in the US, they are effectively ink-marked. Milton’s views on the
>>>>> hereditary aristocracy were abundantly clear.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cameron is the grandson of Sir William Malcolm Mount of Wasing
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasing>Place, 2nd Baronet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cameron descends from King William IV
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_IV_of_the_United_Kingdom> and
>>>>> his mistress Dorothea Jordan
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothea_Jordan>through their
>>>>> illegitimate daughter Lady Elizabeth FitzClarence
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Hay,_Countess_of_Erroll>[11]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-11> to
>>>>> the fifth female generation Enid Agnes Maud Levita. His father's maternal
>>>>> grandmother, Stephanie Levita, née Cooper, was the daughter of Sir
>>>>> Alfred Cooper <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Cooper> and Lady
>>>>> Agnes Duff (sister of Alexander Duff, 1st Duke of Fife
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Duff,_1st_Duke_of_Fife>) and
>>>>> a sister of Duff Cooper, 1st Viscount Norwich
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff_Cooper>, GCMG
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St_Michael_and_St_George>, DSO
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Service_Order>, PC
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_Majesty%27s_Most_Honourable_Privy_Council>,
>>>>> Conservative statesman and author.[12]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-12> His
>>>>> paternal grandmother, Enid Levita, who married secondly in 1961 a younger
>>>>> son of 1st Baron Manton
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Watson,_1st_Baron_Manton>,[13]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-13>was
>>>>> the daughter of Arthur Levita and niece of Sir Cecil Levita
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Levita>, KCVO
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Victorian_Order> CBE
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire>, Chairman
>>>>> of London County Council in 1928. Through the Mantons, Cameron also has
>>>>> kinship with Alexander Fermor-Hesketh, 3rd Baron Hesketh
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Fermor-Hesketh,_3rd_Baron_Hesketh>
>>>>> , KBE <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire>,PC
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privy_Council_of_the_United_Kingdom>,
>>>>> [14]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-14> Conservative
>>>>> Chief Whip in the House of Lords 1991–93.[nb 1]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-16>Cameron's
>>>>> maternal grandfather was Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Mount,_2nd_Baronet>, an
>>>>> army officer and the High Sheriff of Berkshire
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sheriff_of_Berkshire>, and
>>>>> Cameron's maternal great-grandfather was Sir William Mount, 1st
>>>>> Baronet <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Mount,_1st_Baronet>,
>>>>>  CBE <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire>,
>>>>> Conservative MP for Newbury 1910–1922. Lady Ida Matilde Alice Feilding,
>>>>> Cameron's great-great grandmother, was the daughter of William
>>>>> Feilding, 7th Earl of Denbigh
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Feilding,_7th_Earl_of_Denbigh>,
>>>>> GCH <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Guelphic_Order>, PC
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privy_Council_of_the_United_Kingdom>, a
>>>>> courtier <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtier> andGentleman of the
>>>>> Bedchamber <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_of_the_Bedchamber>.
>>>>> [16]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-17>
>>>>>
>>>>> David Cameron is 9th great grandson of Sir Edmund Sawyer
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sir_Edmund_Sawyer&action=edit&redlink=1>
>>>>>  (died 1676), Auditor of the Exchequer and father of MP Sir Robert
>>>>> Sawyer <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Robert_Sawyer> of High Clerc
>>>>> [1] <http://www.berkshirehistory.com/bios/rsawyer.html>, who was
>>>>> Attorney General during the reign of King James I
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_I> and a noted Barrister of
>>>>> the day, whose skills in court were remarked upon by Samuel Pepys
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pepys>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cameron is the nephew of Sir William Dugdale
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dugdale_(Aston_Villa_chairman)>,
>>>>> brother-in-law of Katherine, Lady Dugdale (died 2004)Lady-in-Waiting
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady-in-Waiting> to the Queen since
>>>>> 1955,[23]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-25>
>>>>> [24]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-26>
>>>>> [25]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-27> and
>>>>> former chairman of Aston Villa Football Club
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.>. Birmingham-born
>>>>> documentary filmmaker Joshua Dugdale
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Dugdale> is his cousin.[26]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-28> Cameron's
>>>>> other notable relations include Adam Hart-Davis
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Hart-Davis>, Duff Hart-Davis
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff_Hart-Davis>,[27]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-29> Boris
>>>>> Johnson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson> who is the
>>>>> Conservative <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)> Mayor
>>>>> of London <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_London>; Jo Johnson
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Johnson> who is the Conservative
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)> MP
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_Parliament> for Orpington
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpington_(UK_Parliament_constituency)>
>>>>> and Rachel Johnson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Johnson> (8th
>>>>> cousins),[28]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-30>
>>>>> [29]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-31>Ferdinand
>>>>> Mount (Formerly Sir Ferdinand Mount, 3rd Baronet)
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Mount>;,[30]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-32> John
>>>>> Julius Norwich, 2nd Viscount Norwich
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Julius_Norwich>, CVO
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Victorian_Order>,[31]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-33>
>>>>> and George Osborne <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne> (22nd
>>>>> cousin 3x removed).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It was through this union that Cameron was related to the royal
>>>>> family, he is fifth cousin once removed of Queen Elizabeth.[18]
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-Daily_Mail_Trust_about_money-19>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cameron is married to Samantha Gwendoline Sheffield
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Cameron>, the daughter of Sir
>>>>> Reginald Sheffield, 8th Baronet
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Reginald_Sheffield,_8th_Baronet> and
>>>>> Annabel Lucy Veronica Jones (now Viscountess Astor
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annabel_Astor,_Viscountess_Astor>).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  You can, if you wish, look up SamCam's ancestry, too...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Best
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Matt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On 3 October 2014 19:04, Matthew Jordan <matthewjorda at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I "guess" a hermeneutic key might be found in an Education
>>>>>> Secretary who can wax, repeatedly, about the importance of teaching Dryden
>>>>>> in secondary schools, but can't bring himself so much as to mention
>>>>>> Milton...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On 3 October 2014 18:43, David Urban <dvu2 at calvin.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I guess I missed the Miltonic allusions in this video.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  But in all seriousness, I don't think the John Milton Discussion
>>>>>>> List is the forum for political statements/insults unrelated to Milton.
>>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu <
>>>>>>> milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu> on behalf of Matthew Jordan <
>>>>>>> matthewjorda at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 11:25 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* John Milton Discussion List
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [Milton-L] The Common Good??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Dear Miltonists
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On a literalist interpretation, perhaps off-topic; on a true one,
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  With all *due* apologies to anyone of a reprehensible yet
>>>>>>> over-sensitive political disposition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Mind you, we are going to stuff them, so none of this will
>>>>>>> happen...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Matt
>>>>>>>
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