[Milton-L] Fwd: The Common Good??

Matthew Jordan matthewjorda at gmail.com
Fri Oct 3 23:20:58 EDT 2014


Well played, sir!!

Best, Matt

On 4 October 2014 04:05, David Urban <dvu2 at calvin.edu> wrote:

>  Well, speaking of Milton and St. Paul's, check out what you can now read
> online for free:
>
>
>  https://archive.org/stream/johnmiltonatstpa00clar#page/n5/mode/2up​
>
>
>  There, Matthew--I've just made this thread thoroughly Miltonic.
>
>
>  Best,
>
>
>  David
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu <
> milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu> on behalf of Matthew Jordan <
> matthewjorda at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 7:08 PM
> *To:* John Milton Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Milton-L] Fwd: The Common Good??
>
>   Can't resist one last snippet, because it concerns Milton's school, St.
> Paul's. When he was in the Bullingdon Club, George Osborne's nickname was
> "oik," on account of his attendance there.
>
>   According to the Daily Mail:
>
>  During his time in the Bullingdon Club, he was reportedly nicknamed ‘Oik’
> because he had gone to St Paul’s public school instead of Eton or Harrow. A
> popular lark among his fellow Buller men was to hold him upside-down by the
> ankles and scream: ‘Who are you?’
>
> After several ‘wrong’ answers, each followed by Mr Osborne being dropped
> on his head, he was finally released after squealing: ‘I am a despicable
> ****.’ Source
> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080808/Mystery-missing-hellraisers-George-Osborne-spirits-drinking-party.html>
> Do bear in mind that, according to Wikipedia,
>
>   *George Gideon Oliver Osborne*[1]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-1> (born *Gideon
> Oliver Osborne*; 23 May 1971)[2]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-ReferenceA-2> is a
> British Conservative Party
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)>politician who has
> been the Chancellor of the Exchequer
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_the_Exchequer> andSecond Lord
> of the Treasury <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Lord_of_the_Treasury> since
> 2010 and the Member of Parliament
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom> for
> Tatton <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatton_(UK_Parliament_constituency)>
>  since 2001 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_general_election,_2001>.
>
> Osborne comes from one of the oldest Anglo-Irish
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Irish>aristocracies
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Ascendancy>, and is the heir
> apparent <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heir_apparent> to the Osborne
> baronetcy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Baronets>.[3]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-3>[4]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne#cite_note-4>
>
>
> On 3 October 2014 21:38, Matthew Jordan <matthewjorda at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Joad!!
>>
>> On 3 October 2014 21:24, Joad Raymond <joadraymond at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Matthew,
>>> Nicely done.
>>> Best,
>>> Joad
>>>
>>> On 3 October 2014 19:24, Matthew Jordan <matthewjorda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  It’s also handy that we let them all keep their titles: in the UK,
>>>> unlike in the US, they are effectively ink-marked. Milton’s views on the
>>>> hereditary aristocracy were abundantly clear.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cameron is the grandson of Sir William Malcolm Mount of Wasing
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasing>Place, 2nd Baronet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cameron descends from King William IV
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_IV_of_the_United_Kingdom> and
>>>> his mistress Dorothea Jordan
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothea_Jordan>through their
>>>> illegitimate daughter Lady Elizabeth FitzClarence
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Hay,_Countess_of_Erroll>[11]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-11> to
>>>> the fifth female generation Enid Agnes Maud Levita. His father's maternal
>>>> grandmother, Stephanie Levita, née Cooper, was the daughter of Sir
>>>> Alfred Cooper <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Cooper> and Lady
>>>> Agnes Duff (sister of Alexander Duff, 1st Duke of Fife
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Duff,_1st_Duke_of_Fife>) and a
>>>> sister of Duff Cooper, 1st Viscount Norwich
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff_Cooper>, GCMG
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St_Michael_and_St_George>, DSO
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Service_Order>, PC
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_Majesty%27s_Most_Honourable_Privy_Council>,
>>>> Conservative statesman and author.[12]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-12> His
>>>> paternal grandmother, Enid Levita, who married secondly in 1961 a younger
>>>> son of 1st Baron Manton
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Watson,_1st_Baron_Manton>,[13]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-13>was
>>>> the daughter of Arthur Levita and niece of Sir Cecil Levita
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Levita>, KCVO
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Victorian_Order> CBE
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire>, Chairman
>>>> of London County Council in 1928. Through the Mantons, Cameron also has
>>>> kinship with Alexander Fermor-Hesketh, 3rd Baron Hesketh
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Fermor-Hesketh,_3rd_Baron_Hesketh>
>>>> , KBE <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire>,PC
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privy_Council_of_the_United_Kingdom>,[14]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-14> Conservative
>>>> Chief Whip in the House of Lords 1991–93.[nb 1]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-16>Cameron's
>>>> maternal grandfather was Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Mount,_2nd_Baronet>, an army
>>>> officer and the High Sheriff of Berkshire
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sheriff_of_Berkshire>, and
>>>> Cameron's maternal great-grandfather was Sir William Mount, 1st Baronet
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Mount,_1st_Baronet>, CBE
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire>,
>>>> Conservative MP for Newbury 1910–1922. Lady Ida Matilde Alice Feilding,
>>>> Cameron's great-great grandmother, was the daughter of William
>>>> Feilding, 7th Earl of Denbigh
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Feilding,_7th_Earl_of_Denbigh>,
>>>> GCH <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Guelphic_Order>, PC
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privy_Council_of_the_United_Kingdom>, a
>>>> courtier <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtier> andGentleman of the
>>>> Bedchamber <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_of_the_Bedchamber>.
>>>> [16]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-17>
>>>>
>>>> David Cameron is 9th great grandson of Sir Edmund Sawyer
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sir_Edmund_Sawyer&action=edit&redlink=1>
>>>>  (died 1676), Auditor of the Exchequer and father of MP Sir Robert
>>>> Sawyer <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Robert_Sawyer> of High Clerc
>>>> [1] <http://www.berkshirehistory.com/bios/rsawyer.html>, who was
>>>> Attorney General during the reign of King James I
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_I> and a noted Barrister of
>>>> the day, whose skills in court were remarked upon by Samuel Pepys
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pepys>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cameron is the nephew of Sir William Dugdale
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dugdale_(Aston_Villa_chairman)>,
>>>> brother-in-law of Katherine, Lady Dugdale (died 2004)Lady-in-Waiting
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady-in-Waiting> to the Queen since 1955,
>>>> [23]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-25>[24]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-26>[25]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-27> and
>>>> former chairman of Aston Villa Football Club
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Villa_F.C.>. Birmingham-born
>>>> documentary filmmaker Joshua Dugdale
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Dugdale> is his cousin.[26]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-28> Cameron's
>>>> other notable relations include Adam Hart-Davis
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Hart-Davis>, Duff Hart-Davis
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff_Hart-Davis>,[27]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-29> Boris
>>>> Johnson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson> who is the
>>>> Conservative <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)> Mayor
>>>> of London <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_London>; Jo Johnson
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Johnson> who is the Conservative
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)> MP
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_Parliament> for Orpington
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpington_(UK_Parliament_constituency)>
>>>> and Rachel Johnson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Johnson> (8th
>>>> cousins),[28]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-30>[29]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-31>Ferdinand
>>>> Mount (Formerly Sir Ferdinand Mount, 3rd Baronet)
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Mount>;,[30]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-32> John
>>>> Julius Norwich, 2nd Viscount Norwich
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Julius_Norwich>, CVO
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Victorian_Order>,[31]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-33> and
>>>>  George Osborne <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Osborne> (22nd
>>>> cousin 3x removed).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was through this union that Cameron was related to the royal family,
>>>> he is fifth cousin once removed of Queen Elizabeth.[18]
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_David_Cameron#cite_note-Daily_Mail_Trust_about_money-19>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cameron is married to Samantha Gwendoline Sheffield
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Cameron>, the daughter of Sir
>>>> Reginald Sheffield, 8th Baronet
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Reginald_Sheffield,_8th_Baronet> and
>>>> Annabel Lucy Veronica Jones (now Viscountess Astor
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annabel_Astor,_Viscountess_Astor>).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  You can, if you wish, look up SamCam's ancestry, too...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Matt
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>>>> On 3 October 2014 19:04, Matthew Jordan <matthewjorda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I "guess" a hermeneutic key might be found in an Education
>>>>> Secretary who can wax, repeatedly, about the importance of teaching Dryden
>>>>> in secondary schools, but can't bring himself so much as to mention
>>>>> Milton...
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 3 October 2014 18:43, David Urban <dvu2 at calvin.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   I guess I missed the Miltonic allusions in this video.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  But in all seriousness, I don't think the John Milton Discussion
>>>>>> List is the forum for political statements/insults unrelated to Milton.
>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu <
>>>>>> milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu> on behalf of Matthew Jordan <
>>>>>> matthewjorda at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 3, 2014 11:25 AM
>>>>>> *To:* John Milton Discussion List
>>>>>> *Subject:* [Milton-L] The Common Good??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Dear Miltonists
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On a literalist interpretation, perhaps off-topic; on a true one,
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  With all *due* apologies to anyone of a reprehensible yet
>>>>>> over-sensitive political disposition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Mind you, we are going to stuff them, so none of this will happen...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Matt
>>>>>>
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