[Milton-L] more, seemingly ever more, on fallacious

Salwa Khoddam skhoddam at cox.net
Thu Apr 24 17:12:14 EDT 2014


Very interesting, Sara. The same thing occurs when you compare the original A-S words in Beowulf with their modern translations, a shift from the concrete to the abstract.
Salwa
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sara van den Berg 
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  Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Milton-L] more, seemingly ever more, on fallacious


  I've also enjoyed the discussion of "fallacious" and "seal."  However, Milton uses both words several times in his prose, in contexts which do not allow for any sexual pun.  Anyone who is interested can check the concordance.

  A long time ago, Edward LeComte compiled his list of Milton's puns, but these two words were not among them--and many of the puns he suggested were not persuasive.


  Many, if not most, of Milton's puns are cross-language puns.  In one language, the word denotes physical description; in the other language, the word connotes moral evaluation.  For example, when he refers to the fallen angels' "horrid" spears the word "horrid" in English is evaluative; the source, the Latin word "horridus," means "pointed" and denotes physical description.  Now, as to "spears," . . .


  I'm looking forward to ordering Nigel's collection, and will also be sure our library orders it.  


  Sara van den Berg




  On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Richard A. Strier <rastrier at uchicago.edu> wrote:

    I am delighted to see this reprinted; it's something I have always wanted to own.  I've ordered it.  Thanks, Nigel!

    Everyone should buy one, or at least make sure that their library has one.

    RS

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    From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] on behalf of Nigel Smith [nsmith at princeton.edu]
    Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 2:37 PM
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    Subject: Re: [Milton-L] more, seemingly ever more, on fallacious


    Dear Miltonists,

    I've been enjoying this exchange of views on sex in 'Paradise Lost' even as I've been teaching the poem this semester.

    For some mid-17th-century texts concerned with holy sex (and holy swearing) might I please draw the attention of the list to the second edition of my 'A Collection of Ranter Writings', which first appeared in 1983.  It now reappears in revised, updated and corrected form under the Pluto Press imprint.

    You can see the cover and the foreword at the following link: http://issuu.com/plutopress/docs/smith_acorw_extract_1.

    Since the music writer Greil Marcus saw a link between 1970s and 1980s punk rock and the Ranters, my foreword addresses that, but most of the introduction and all of the texts and annotations deal with the 17th century and 17th century studies, not least the infamous debate on whether the Ranters existed or not.  There are several texts in this revised anthology that were not known to exist or considered lost thirty years ago: Joseph Salmon's pamphlet 'Divinity Anatomized' (1649) and two letters by Laurence Clarkson.  Abiezer Coppe's writings remain a central attraction.

    I hope the new edition serves the community of learning: many people have written to me over the years requesting a reprint or a new edition.  Here it is.

    Best wishes to all,

    Nigel Smith.
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