[Milton-L] lapsarian sex, fallacious, milton's verbal skill (and blake's fruit)

jsavoie at siue.edu jsavoie at siue.edu
Tue Apr 15 21:51:17 EDT 2014


A pun need not utilize a precise homophone to be effective; it merely needs to
be close enough to be suggestive.

John Savoie

Quoting John K Leonard <jleonard at uwo.ca>:

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> On 04/15/14, Gregory Machacek <Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu> wrote:
> >   On different sides of the fallacious/fellatio debate:
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>  Greg goes on to  offer some ingenious ruminations on the "coarticulation" of
> "that" and "fall" to produce "fell", but to my ears it is the last (not the
> first) syllable of "fallacious" that presents the biggest obstacle to the
> obscene pun that John Savoie has proposed. So far as I am aware, there is not
> (and has never been) an English word "fellatious." If our ears are to be as
> finely attuned as Greg asks them to be, this  matters. I remain open to
> persuasion, but I have not yet heard any argument compelling enough to woo me
> from my initial response, which was  "I too am sceptical." I recognize that
> Greg was  weighing options, not taking a side in "the . . . debate", but the
> "coarticulation" evidence carries little weight with me. My point in quoting
> the Carew poem was not (as Carol Barton seems to infer)  that Milton was
> similarly rakish; my point was to refute Richard Strier's claim that  "even
> pornographic poetry [was] remarkably genitally oriented." I do not think that
> Milton was a pornographic poet (though he did have a taste for bawdy puns, as
> we know from the prose).
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> Greg's conjecture (I recognize it was nothing more) that "that" might turn
> "fall" into "fell" encounters another obstacle, it seems to me, in Psalm 145:
> "the Lord upholdeth all that fall." This biblical verse gave Beckett the
> title of his radio play All That Fall. Does anyone really hear that as "All
> that Fell"?
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> John Leonard
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