[Milton-L] lapsarian sex, fallacious, milton's verbal skill (and blake's fruit)
Horace Jeffery Hodges
horacejeffery at gmail.com
Tue Apr 15 21:32:02 EDT 2014
*John Leonard*: "So far as I am aware, there is not (and has never been) an
English word 'fellatious.'"
*Jeffery Hodges*: "Never underestimate the reach of English vocabulary."
Fellatious; adj.: 1) One who relishes the art of fellatio.
2) One who routinely engages in fellatio with many partners.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:12 AM, John K Leonard <jleonard at uwo.ca> wrote:
> On 04/15/14, *Gregory Machacek *<Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu> wrote:
> On different sides of the fallacious/fellatio debate:
> Greg goes on to offer some ingenious ruminations on the "coarticulation"
> of "that" and "fall" to produce "fell", but to my ears it is the last (not
> the first) syllable of "fallacious" that presents the biggest obstacle
> to the obscene pun that John Savoie has proposed. So far as I am aware,
> there is not (and has never been) an English word "fellatious." If our ears
> are to be as finely attuned as Greg asks them to be, this matters.
> I remain open to persuasion, but I have not yet heard any
> argument compelling enough to woo me from my initial response, which was
> "I too am sceptical." I recognize that Greg was weighing options, not
> taking a side in "the . . . debate", but the "coarticulation" evidence
> carries little weight with me. My point in quoting the Carew poem was not
> (as Carol Barton seems to infer) that Milton was similarly rakish; my
> point was to refute Richard Strier's claim that "even pornographic poetry
> [was] remarkably genitally oriented." I do not think that Milton was a
> pornographic poet (though he did have a taste for bawdy puns, as we know
> from the prose).
> Greg's conjecture (I recognize it was nothing more) that "that" might turn
> "fall" into "fell" encounters another obstacle, it seems to me, in Psalm
> 145: "the Lord upholdeth all that fall." This biblical verse gave Beckett
> the title of his radio play *All That Fall*. Does anyone really hear that
> as "All that Fell"?
> John Leonard
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