[Milton-L] lapsarian sex for Carrol Cox

Bob Blair bblair48 at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 15 01:01:56 EDT 2014

> it is all simply English.

With Milton, the adverb I want is not 'simply'.  I'm having trouble coming up with a single one that satisfies, though.

Bob Blair
On Mon, 4/14/14, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Milton-L] lapsarian sex for Carrol Cox
 To: "'John Milton Discussion List'" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
 Date: Monday, April 14, 2014, 8:01 PM
 (Thanks to all who helped me on
 Whether or not Milton 'intended' this, _after_ the
 suggestion is made it's
 going to be difficult for anyone not to have the possibility
 in mind when
 reading the two passages.
 As to fallen & unfallen language: _if_ the contrast
 exists at all it has to
 be an arbitrary one: there can be no liguistic signs of
 "fallen" as opposed
 to "unfallen" language: it is all simply English.
 And under _all_ interpretations there is no way to insist
 Milton offers us
 "True statements about the world" on this matter. I was at a
 conference of
 Science for the People this weekend -- one of the best
 conferences I've ever
 attended. In the panel on public health, one of the speakers
 began by
 contrasting "FREE ABORTION ON DEMAND NOW" (the all caps to
 indicate oral
 emphasis) with the weak and spineless, "[please sir if you
 will] choice
 [someday]."  If PL won't support that, then that is one
 sharp contrast
 between PL & Truth.
 Note: I don't think making "true statements about the world"
 is relevant to
 the question of literary "worth." (I have to think this
 because of my
 profound disagreement with the world views of all my
 favorite writers.) 
 And see in this connection 
 Subject:     Re: [Milton-L] Reply to Prof.
 Fleming on totalization
 Date:     Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:32:51 -0800
 From:     Kim Maxwell <kim-maxwell at sbcglobal.net>
 -----Original Message-----
 From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
 [mailto:milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu]
 On Behalf Of Margaret Thickstun
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 4:17 PM
 To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
 Subject: Re: [Milton-L] lapsarian sex for Carrol Cox
 I didn't want to believe it either, but I really think
 people should read
 the article before leaping to conclusions.
 On 4/14/14 5:03 PM, Richard A. Strier wrote:
     I don't believe that Milton was using
 that pun.   
     From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
 [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu]
 on behalf of James Rovira
 [jamesrovira at gmail.com]
     Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 2:54 PM
     To: John Milton Discussion List
     Subject: Re: [Milton-L] lapsarian sex for
 Carrol Cox
     Ha... o God. That's too much. I'm not
 buying it, but I'm glad he
 wrote the article, and I'm going to have to find it and read
 it now. 
 Margaret Thickstun
 Jane Watson Irwin Professor of English
 Hamilton College
 198 College Hill Road
 Clinton, NY 13323
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