[Milton-L] lapsarian sex for Carrol Cox

Richard A. Strier rastrier at uchicago.edu
Mon Apr 14 17:03:29 EDT 2014

I don't believe that Milton was using that pun.

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Ha... o God. That's too much. I'm not buying it, but I'm glad he wrote the article, and I'm going to have to find it and read it now.

Does he draw in then-contemporary discourse about non-reproductive sex (which would include oral sex)? We even see some shots taken at this in Mel Gibson's Apocalypto.

Jim R

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Margaret Thickstun <mthickst at hamilton.edu<mailto:mthickst at hamilton.edu>> wrote:
Okay, here is the upshot of John Savoie's MQ article:

"Simply put, before the fall Adam and Eve have conventional sexual intercourse that would lead naturally to pregnancy, family, and a fully realized society. Om contrast, their fallen lovemaking, glossed as 'lust,' turns to oral sex that effectively separates sexual pleasure from that continuum" (Savoie, MQ 45:3:161).

He follows the pun on "fallacious" and "fellatio," considers Catullus, Martial, Samson Agonistes, and has made it impossible for me to look at Michelangelo's depiction of the Fall without blushing.

It all leads up to "And so they experience 'the force of that fallacious Fruit,' until they waken from their postprandial slumber, 'now soil'd and stain'd / And in [their] faces evident the signs / Of foul concupiscence' (1046, 1076-78). The image need not be exclusively metaphysical, but rather a material soil and stain before it becomes a sign" (MQ 45:3:167).

I was a resisting reader, but I could not resist it.

Margaret Thickstun
Jane Watson Irwin Professor of English
Hamilton College
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Clinton, NY 13323

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