[Milton-L] obedience to your creator

Matthew Jordan matthewjorda at gmail.com
Thu Apr 10 15:24:18 EDT 2014


Are "inside" and "outside" so readily distinguished, these days? Is God, as
Milton conceives him, really simply "external" to Abdiel? Etc.


On 10 April 2014 20:16, Bryson, Michael E <michael.bryson at csun.edu> wrote:

> No. Abdiel appeals to external authority. The Milgram dissenters appeal to
> internal authority. That really is quite different. And as Carrol Cox
> pointed out--the Milgram dissenters were not fictional characters, unlike
> Abdiel and the Father (who despite the evident investments of many, is
> *not* the Christian God, nor must he be read as such).
>
> Michael Bryson
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> Milgram dissenters: "Despite appearances, expectations, and evident
> authority, this is just plain spitting WRONG."
> Abdiel: ditto.
>
> It is a matter, as Gadamer says, of seeing what is questionable. The skill
> on which everything in PL depends.
> jdf
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> Milgram Experiment Dissenters: "You can't make me do that! It is morally
> wrong to inflict that kind of pain on a human being. I'm leaving."
>
> Abdiel: "You can't make me do that! The King will get mad, and will punish
> us by inflicting pain. I'm leaving."
>
>
> Michael Bryson
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> milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Carrol Cox [
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> JD Fleming:
>
> But a few spoke out: stood up and said: I don't care who you are or what
> you say or what this is--you guys can't do that.
>
> Abdiel is one of the few. JDF
>
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> Abdiel is a fictional character, like Elizabeth Bennett or The Lone
> Ranger. And (in the context of the fiction)  it doesn't take much courage
> on his part to "stand up," since as he himself notes, those not "standing
> up" are going to end up in a very unpleasant place: that is the point of
> his making Power his ultimate argument.
>
> It has not always been clear in this thread whether the interest is in
> correctly construing a fiction or in asserting some ontological truth.
>
> Carrol
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