[Milton-L] A & E & Satan

Hugh M. RICHMOND hmr at berkeley.edu
Mon Apr 7 17:50:04 EDT 2014


I agree absolutely with Carol: Eve is the epic's norm. Incidentally, Adam
is more like God - a solitary wanting companionship of some kind, at
whatever cost! Hugh Richmond


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Carol Barton, Ph.D., CPCM <
cbartonphd1 at verizon.net> wrote:

>  Jim, you have to include Eve in that, too (but in Book 9 rather than
> 10). Severally and jointly, they go through many of the same
> rationalizations/ specious arguments that the devils do--but the difference
> is that rather than resolving "evil, be thou our good," they reason their
> way out of their own sophistry and untenable arguments together. I think
> it's useful to compare the strategies advanced by the Infernal Council in
> Book 2 and Satan's "but say I could repent" soliloquy in Book 4 with what
> Eve says immediately after eating the Fruit, and what they say to one
> another after Adam has joined her in her disobedience. They sound very much
> like Belial, Moloch, and Satan himself--and are in very much the same moral
> state (hearts hardened against salvation) but for the devils, the needle
> sticks, and the record keeps skipping into eternity.
>
> (Some of you won't "get" that metaphor. I just mean that the argument
> never progresses beyond "let's hide"--"let's lay low"--"it's God's fault
> --and so on.)
>
> Best to all,
>
> Carol Barton
>
>  *From:* James Rovira <jamesrovira at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 2:13 PM
> *To:* John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Milton-L] A & E & Satan
>
> I'd agree, Richard, but look at where Adam is already going with it:
>
> This Woman whom thou mad'st to be my help,
> And gav'st me as thy perfet gift, so good,
> So fit, so acceptable, so Divine<http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/reading_room/pl/book_10/notes.shtml#divine>
> ,
> That from her hand I could suspect no ill, [ 140 ]
> And what she did, whatever in it self,
> Her doing seem'd to justifie<http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/reading_room/pl/book_10/notes.shtml#justifie> the
> deed;
> Shee gave me of the Tree, and I did eate.
>
> He's blaming Eve for being so sweet and innocent and God for giving her to
> him, not to mention the rather nasty argument at the end of Book 9. I think
> the differences are a matter of time and degree.
>
> Jim R
>
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