[Milton-L] crucifixion

James Rovira jamesrovira at gmail.com
Sun Apr 6 15:06:03 EDT 2014


If conscious and deliberate is not "worse," why does it matter?

We don't want to exonerate Adam and Eve too much either: they weren't
deceived about the injunction. It was very simple.

Jim R


On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Carol Barton, Ph.D., CPCM <
cbartonphd1 at verizon.net> wrote:

>  It's not that it's "worse," Jim. It's that it's conscious and
> deliberate--Satan is not coerced or defrauded into becoming the Adversary:
> it's a role he actively, intentionally chooses on his own initiative--and
> one that he clearly relishes ("better to reign in hell . . .").
>
> All best,
>
> Carol
>
>  *From:* James Rovira <jamesrovira at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 06, 2014 2:45 PM
> *To:* John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Milton-L] crucifixion
>
> Carol -- doesn't this reasoning continue to reinforce the notion of
> somehow being more "deserving" of "grace," which seems to me to be an
> oxymoron? If Satan's sin is the worst, what does that have to do with his
> being, or not being, a recipient of grace?
>
> Jim R
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Carol Barton, Ph.D., CPCM <
> cbartonphd1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>  The fallen angels knew the difference between good and evil, obedience
>> and disobedience (as Satan himself makes obvious in soliloquy). They simply
>> (like the Royalists during the Civil Wars, and Milton during the
>> Interregnum) followed the wrong leader, deceiving themselves into believing
>> he would be victorious (not, in their case, because he was "right" in a
>> moral sense--give the Roundheads at least that much--but because they
>> didn't like the way God was running heaven)--see particularly 100-105:
>>
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-- 
Dr. James Rovira
Associate Professor of English
Tiffin University
http://www.jamesrovira.com
Blake and Kierkegaard: Creation and Anxiety
Continuum 2010
http://jamesrovira.com/blake-and-kierkegaard-creation-and-anxiety/
Text, Identity, Subjectivity
http://scalar.usc.edu/works/text-identity-subjectivity/index
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