[Milton-L] "Dumdown Award" for parallel edition of PL -what the hell?

James Rovira jamesrovira at gmail.com
Tue Apr 1 16:21:38 EDT 2014


You might be able to pull up some previews of this edition:

http://books.google.com/books?id=MtdmAAAAMAAJ&q=facsimile+edition+paradise+lost&dq=facsimile+edition+paradise+lost&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lh47U4D0H-mV2QWa3oCwBw&ved=0CEYQ6AEwAA

Who is it on this list who posts photographs of pages?

Jim R


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:15 PM, James Rovira <jamesrovira at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's the Project Gutenberg .txt version:
>
> http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/20/pg20.txt
>
> Jim R
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:12 PM, JCarl Bellinger <dionhalic at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gregory Machacek: I'll check Gutenberg. Dartmouth annotated might
>> also work if the italic formatting were stripped out.
>>
>>     The dumdown left column text caught my attention because it's as
>> attractive and easy on the eyes as any online I've seen, and because it
>> _seems_ to be the Ed. 2 text.
>>
>>    A screen icon on my smart phone's start page takes me there voila,
>> then rotate to horizontal and zoom for an attractive, easily legible,
>> accurate & searchable text. Drawback (damn): it puts up only one Book at a
>> time.
>>
>>    **Plea** Can anyone direct me to an online, orig.spelling&pointing
>> text of PL that shows the whole poem in one searchable gulp?
>>
>>    Cheers,
>>        -Carl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Gregory Machacek <
>> Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> My guess is that Don Downer will have downloaded the text from Project
>>> Gutenberg, and then just done a remove formatting to get rid of the
>>> italics.  That's the first potential source I'd check.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg Machacek
>>> Professor of English
>>> Marist College
>>>
>>>
>>> -----milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu wrote: -----
>>> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>>> From: JCarl Bellinger
>>> Sent by: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
>>> Date: 04/01/2014 04:30AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] "Dumdown Award" for parallel edition of PL -what
>>> the hell?
>>>
>>> oops, Well, I got confused looking at the top level paradiselost.orgsite which had nothing to do with my query. (I didn't know about
>>> paradiselost.org, and looking at it now I see it sports THREE links,
>>> each to a very different looking text.)
>>> My _only_ interest concerns the text in the link I supplied in my query,
>>> to whit: http://www.paradiselost.org/lmg/Book-1.html , which only
>>> differs from Ed 2, as far as this layman can see, in the loss of the
>>> distinctions Milton effected by the occassional use of an italic font in an
>>> otherwise non-italic setting. But at this point I'd say let's let this
>>> slumbering dog lie.
>>> On Apr 1, 2014 3:29 AM, "JCarl Bellinger" <dionhalic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Comparing the DUMDOWN text with the Dartmouth Reading Room text it's
>>>> clear just from the first few lines that Dimdown's is not derived from
>>>> Dartmouth's. No way the Damdung clan is going to restore Milton's initial
>>>> caps on man's&first&disobedience nor remove the "e" from taste.
>>>> It's the (to me) remarkable apparent fidelity to 1674 that is puzzling
>>>> me. Obviously Milton's use of italics to mark certain classes of words is
>>>> gone, but in what other wayes :-) does it differ?
>>>> -Carl
>>>> On Apr 1, 2014 12:22 AM, "Benjamin (Ben) Moran" <bamoran at crimson.ua.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Milton Reading Room is the source for the paradiselost.org text,
>>>>> as Jim suggests.  Elsewhere on the site (on the 'Poem' page), the link
>>>>> embedded within "Paradise Lost: Annotated" leads to the Dartmouth project.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I can tell, neither Thomas Luxon nor Dartmouth receive
>>>>> credit on paradiselost.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben Moran
>>>>> University of Alabama
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:16 PM, James Rovira <jamesrovira at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Milton reading room?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim R
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:42 PM, JCarl Bellinger <dionhalic at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My query concerned _only_ the quality of the text of Paradise Lost
>>>>>>> printed on the left-hand page of this (worse than disgusting because [i
>>>>>>> agree with Gregory] culturally and ethically deleterious) money-grubbing
>>>>>>> publication.
>>>>>>> It's because of that limited interest that I signaled past editors
>>>>>>> of Milton's text. According to my own brief layman's check it seems to
>>>>>>> accurately match the original both in spelling and punctuation. If that is
>>>>>>> the case where did they get this text? No way they produced it themselves!
>>>>>>> would they have had to steal it? Can we tell from their text which web site
>>>>>>> they stole it from?
>>>>>>>  On Mar 30, 2014 2:02 PM, "JCarl Bellinger" <dionhalic at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The left-hand column, "original" PL text in this "line by line
>>>>>>>> paraphrase" surprises me a little in that it seems fairly good. But I'd
>>>>>>>> like to ask, how does it read to yee who have yourselves edited the text?
>>>>>>>> http://www.paradiselost.org/lmg/Book-1.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Dr. James Rovira
>>>>>> Associate Professor of English
>>>>>> Tiffin University
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>>>>>
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> Dr. James Rovira
> Associate Professor of English
> Tiffin University
> http://www.jamesrovira.com
> Blake and Kierkegaard: Creation and Anxiety
> Continuum 2010
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> Text, Identity, Subjectivity
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-- 
Dr. James Rovira
Associate Professor of English
Tiffin University
http://www.jamesrovira.com
Blake and Kierkegaard: Creation and Anxiety
Continuum 2010
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Text, Identity, Subjectivity
http://scalar.usc.edu/works/text-identity-subjectivity/index
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