[Milton-L] "Dumdown Award" for parallel edition of PL -what the hell?

James Rovira jamesrovira at gmail.com
Tue Apr 1 16:15:04 EDT 2014


Here's the Project Gutenberg .txt version:

http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/20/pg20.txt

Jim R


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:12 PM, JCarl Bellinger <dionhalic at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Gregory Machacek: I'll check Gutenberg. Dartmouth annotated might
> also work if the italic formatting were stripped out.
>
>     The dumdown left column text caught my attention because it's as
> attractive and easy on the eyes as any online I've seen, and because it
> _seems_ to be the Ed. 2 text.
>
>    A screen icon on my smart phone's start page takes me there voila, then
> rotate to horizontal and zoom for an attractive, easily legible, accurate &
> searchable text. Drawback (damn): it puts up only one Book at a time.
>
>    **Plea** Can anyone direct me to an online, orig.spelling&pointing text
> of PL that shows the whole poem in one searchable gulp?
>
>    Cheers,
>        -Carl
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Gregory Machacek <
> Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu> wrote:
>
>> My guess is that Don Downer will have downloaded the text from Project
>> Gutenberg, and then just done a remove formatting to get rid of the
>> italics.  That's the first potential source I'd check.
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Machacek
>> Professor of English
>> Marist College
>>
>>
>> -----milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu wrote: -----
>> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> From: JCarl Bellinger
>> Sent by: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
>> Date: 04/01/2014 04:30AM
>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] "Dumdown Award" for parallel edition of PL -what
>> the hell?
>>
>> oops, Well, I got confused looking at the top level paradiselost.orgsite which had nothing to do with my query. (I didn't know about
>> paradiselost.org, and looking at it now I see it sports THREE links,
>> each to a very different looking text.)
>> My _only_ interest concerns the text in the link I supplied in my query,
>> to whit: http://www.paradiselost.org/lmg/Book-1.html , which only
>> differs from Ed 2, as far as this layman can see, in the loss of the
>> distinctions Milton effected by the occassional use of an italic font in an
>> otherwise non-italic setting. But at this point I'd say let's let this
>> slumbering dog lie.
>> On Apr 1, 2014 3:29 AM, "JCarl Bellinger" <dionhalic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Comparing the DUMDOWN text with the Dartmouth Reading Room text it's
>>> clear just from the first few lines that Dimdown's is not derived from
>>> Dartmouth's. No way the Damdung clan is going to restore Milton's initial
>>> caps on man's&first&disobedience nor remove the "e" from taste.
>>> It's the (to me) remarkable apparent fidelity to 1674 that is puzzling
>>> me. Obviously Milton's use of italics to mark certain classes of words is
>>> gone, but in what other wayes :-) does it differ?
>>> -Carl
>>> On Apr 1, 2014 12:22 AM, "Benjamin (Ben) Moran" <bamoran at crimson.ua.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Milton Reading Room is the source for the paradiselost.org text,
>>>> as Jim suggests.  Elsewhere on the site (on the 'Poem' page), the link
>>>> embedded within "Paradise Lost: Annotated" leads to the Dartmouth project.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I can tell, neither Thomas Luxon nor Dartmouth receive credit
>>>> on paradiselost.org.
>>>>
>>>> Ben Moran
>>>> University of Alabama
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:16 PM, James Rovira <jamesrovira at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Milton reading room?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:42 PM, JCarl Bellinger <dionhalic at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My query concerned _only_ the quality of the text of Paradise Lost
>>>>>> printed on the left-hand page of this (worse than disgusting because [i
>>>>>> agree with Gregory] culturally and ethically deleterious) money-grubbing
>>>>>> publication.
>>>>>> It's because of that limited interest that I signaled past editors of
>>>>>> Milton's text. According to my own brief layman's check it seems to
>>>>>> accurately match the original both in spelling and punctuation. If that is
>>>>>> the case where did they get this text? No way they produced it themselves!
>>>>>> would they have had to steal it? Can we tell from their text which web site
>>>>>> they stole it from?
>>>>>>  On Mar 30, 2014 2:02 PM, "JCarl Bellinger" <dionhalic at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The left-hand column, "original" PL text in this "line by line
>>>>>>> paraphrase" surprises me a little in that it seems fairly good. But I'd
>>>>>>> like to ask, how does it read to yee who have yourselves edited the text?
>>>>>>> http://www.paradiselost.org/lmg/Book-1.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> Ben Moran
>>>>
>>>> MA Candidate
>>>> The Hudson Strode Program in Renaissance Studies
>>>> Department of English
>>>> University of Alabama
>>>> Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0244
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