[Milton-L] Under a Platan (PL 4.478)

Horace Jeffery Hodges horacejeffery at gmail.com
Tue Apr 1 08:50:12 EDT 2014

The word "apple" still had a very broad meaning in the 17th century,
including fruits we would never consider apples, and when Eve brings the
fruit to Adam, it is described as "downy."

Jeffery Hodges

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:41 PM, John K Leonard <jleonard at uwo.ca> wrote:

> On 03/31/14, *Stella Revard *<srevard at siue.edu> wrote:
> .
> Of course the PL "platan" tree cannot have been the Tree of Knowledge (had
> it been, Milton would have made sure we knew that), and I see therefore no
> way of identifying any fruit it may have borne as that which Eve and Adam
> so disastrously plucked and
>  ate.
> The question of just what kind of fruit was forbidden in PL comes up
> periodically on this list, where many people express the view that it must
> have been something more exotic than a common apple, even though Satan
> twice uses that very word (9.585, 10.487). Undeterred, Miltonists tell us
> that Satan is not to be trusted or that "apples" could mean "pineapples."
> Often forgotten is this line from PR:
> Alas how simple, to these cates compared,
> Was that crude apple that diverted Eve! (2.348-9)
> True, 'crude' there means 'uncooked', but the antithesis with 'cates'
> suggests that the 'apple' was conspicuously *un*exotic or (in the
> narrator's words) 'simple'. I have no opinion about Genesis, but I think
> that Milton thought of the fruit as an apple.
> John Leonard
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