[Milton-L] "then" not "[then]"

John Hale john.hale at otago.ac.nz
Sun Sep 15 16:15:11 EDT 2013


Nancy's mention of "music" helps resolve these intriguing difficulties. "true musical delight."

John Hale
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Yes, that is certainly possible. I have no access to the 1667, so assumed that [then] in brackets was an emendation. If it looks like a duck...

Nancy Charlton

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On Sep 15, 2013, at 6:37 AM, John K Leonard <jleonard at uwo.ca<mailto:jleonard at uwo.ca>> wrote:

Emendation? It is true that "then" in 10.827 does not appear in the first edition (1667), but it does appear in the second (1674), so a case can be made for seeing it as Milton's correction of a printer's error rather than a Bentleyan emendation of an expressive omission.

John Leonard

On 09/15/13, Nancy Charlton <charltonwordorder1 at gmail.com<mailto:charltonwordorder1 at gmail.com>> wrote:

I was thinking the same thing, except I would liken it to a quarter-rest in music, with perhaps a fermata on "me". This to me has better rhetorical logic, particularly if the line is left stark without the emendation "then."

Nancy Charlton

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On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:32 PM, "Salwa Khoddam" <skhoddam at cox.net<mailto:skhoddam at cox.net>> wrote:

But how can these nine-syllable lines be scanned as unmetrical?? If we include pauses when they are spoken, it seems to me they scan quite regularly. For instance, a pause after the question mark in this line (10.827).
Salwa
Salwa Khoddam PhD
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Oklahoma City University
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With me? How can they [then] acquitted stand (10.827)



Greg Machacek
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I don't recall who made the observation but a line of just nine syllables, a truncated line, appears just where Eve suggests to Adam they might choose to remain childless in order to limit to their own persons the Woe otherwise destined now for all generations of their progeny.

Perhaps someone could locate the line (I'm away from my desk at the moment)...
I think that not a few editions of PL have rejected the nine syllable line as unmetrical, which it most certainly is, and have replaced it with a line that will scan.
-Carl

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