[Milton-L] textbook suggestions? literature of the English civil wars

Brendan Prawdzik brendanprawdzik at gmail.com
Wed Oct 9 14:10:09 EDT 2013


Thanks, Jason.  Very helpful stuff!

B


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Jason Kerr <aelfric at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know the thread is a bit old by now, but I'd be sure to include Waller's
> uncomfortably twinned poems "A Panegyrick to My Lord Protector" and "To the
> King upon His Majesties Happy Return." On the American side, Anne
> Bradstreet has a poem about the Civil War in *The Tenth Muse.* Dryden's *Astraea
> Redux* ought to be there, too, at minimum as a sign of the general relief
> upon emerging from the chaos of 1659-60, and furthermore as an important
> component of the way that the Civil War period was retrospectively framed.
>
> I'm looking forward to seeing many of you at Murfreesboro!
>
> Best,
> Jason A. Kerr
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Mario A. DiCesare <
> dicesare1 at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>  Dear Hugh Wilson,
>>
>> Your kind words take my breath away, as did Hannibal's and those of
>> others'.  I am really grateful and humbled.
>>
>> I have not had either the occasion or the will to get back to scholarship
>> since retiring and moving to the Asheville, NC, area, mainly because we
>> learned after the first year of our retirement that my wife had a difficult
>> brain tumor; the resultant operation was a disaster.  She died last year,
>> after almost fourteen years of enduring her troubles.  I wrote a memorial;
>> if I can find it, I'll attach it.
>>
>> But I haven't been altogether inactive.  I teach every term at our
>> remarkable College for Seniors at UNC Asheville, part of the imaginative
>> and flourishing Center for Creative Retirement (wonderful name -- and I've
>> had fun amicably mocking it in a couple of public presentations!).  It has
>> been my salvation in many ways. The thousand or so members of the Center
>> are very interesting people, and Center members enjoy a broad sense of
>> collegiality.  This term, I'm doing Vergil; next term, Dante; and in the
>> Spring *Macbeth* and *Othello*.  I feel downright privileged.
>>
>> My very best regards, Hugh,
>>
>> Mario
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/30/2013 10:26 AM, Hugh Wilson wrote:
>>
>>  Dear Professor Di Cesare,****
>>
>> ** **
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>> I hope you’re not planning to recede from public view****
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>> or discussion any time soon.  As one of the pre-eminent ****
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>> senior scholars, you and your generation articulate the memory, ****
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>> the history, the continuity and sometimes, the collective ****
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>> conscience of the profession.****
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>> Only fools, soon to be superannuated in their time, willfully ****
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>> neglect the reflections of senior scholars.  Various members of****
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>> the profession have benefited from your encouragement, your****
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>> insight, your healing barbs or your kindly wisdom.****
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>> ** **
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>> Live long and prosper.  Please stay engaged.****
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>> ** **
>>
>> HFW****
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>> *From:* milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu [
>> mailto:milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu<milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Mario A. DiCesare
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 5:12 PM
>> *To:* John Milton Discussion List
>> *Subject:* Re: [Milton-L] textbook suggestions? literature of the
>> English civil wars****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Dear Hannibal Hanlin,
>>
>> Many years ago, I corresponded with, and then finally met, a hero of
>> mine, a Latin professor who had brilliantly and even seductively edited the
>> first, second, and fourth books of Vergil's *Aeneid*, Roland Austin.  My
>> wife and I stayed with Roland and his hotblooded Scottish wife in their
>> home in the Cotswolds. I recall that once, when we were driving to a pub
>> for lunch, Roland said was that he felt very much like a back number.
>> Your comment about my anthology of Herbert and the 17c. religious poets
>> being "old" made me wonder if, despite my somewhat advanced age (I'm 85) I
>> should now consider myself a back number and just recede from public or any
>> other view.  I don't quite understand the point about my anthology being
>> "old" though the observation that it leaves out women is  justified and
>> embarrassing.
>>
>> In the end, I agree fully that new anthologies should be edited.  The
>> publishers' ways of getting them out, making their money, and letting them
>> lapse (Norton not one of these) is disheartending, to say the least.
>>
>> Mario
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2013 4:58 PM, Hannibal Hamlin wrote: ****
>>
>> It is interesting, isn't it, the extent to which what we teach, perhaps
>> even work on, is shaped by such a contingency as the availability of texts
>> and anthologies. I've run into this problem many times. There used to be a
>> number of anthologies of pastoral poetry, for instance, including one by
>> Frank Kermode. None remain in print. Does that mean there is no longer any
>> interest in pastoral? Surely not. I taught a course on the religious lyric
>> last spring and again, no decent anthology available. There's the Norton
>> George Herbert and 17th c, Religious Poets, but it's old, it leaves out
>> Donne and Milton (presumably in order not to overlap with other Nortons),
>> as well as many others, including Southwell (not 17th c. of course, though
>> constantly available in print), Constable and Alabaster, and women like An
>> Collins and "Eliza." Ah well.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I'd encourage Brendan and anyone else inclined to edit new anthologies
>> that might serve us better.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Hannibal****
>>
>> ** **
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>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Brendan Prawdzik <
>> brendanprawdzik at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>> Thank you all for those great suggestions!****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Sara, those pointers alerted me to texts that would be important to
>> include, several of which I had not considered.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Lara, I have indeed used the Norton Seventeenth-Century anthology, and
>> you're right, it's good teaching text *and* it's affordable.  I will
>> likely use it and then add some handouts to include prose and outliers.**
>> **
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Michael: thanks for those suggestions.  Donne!  I have not read some of
>> these but they seem very much to-the-point.****
>>
>>
>> Just fyi, other texts worthy of inclusion:****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Much of Herrick's poetry: "Argument of His Book" and "Corinna's Going
>> A'Maying" are favorites.  Herbert's "Church Windows" is an excellent idea.
>> A few others by Herbert might fit.  Obviously, Milton.  Lovelace.
>> Cowley. Marvell! -- take your pick.  Horatian Ode, "First Anniversary,"
>> Death of Buckingham, Nymph Complaining!, The Mower poems, even.  Hobbes
>> would be great.  Love the James I idea.  Some satirical playlets.
>> Parliamentary order closing the playhouses.  Philip's double-death of
>> Charles.  Broadsides.  Wither?  Leveller, Digger prose.  Denham's "Cooper's
>> Hill" (Appleton?).  D'Avenant *Siege of Rhodes *might be a bit boring
>> but would tie some things together.  Carew's *Coelum Britannicum*followed by Milton's
>> *Mask*.  Even a glimpse of the 1637 *Book of Common Prayer* paired with
>> a glimpse of the 1645 *Directory of Publike Worship*.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> In short, so much to choose from.  I was hoping father fondly that there
>> would be a textbook covering much of this material.  But alas, I'll be
>> using many handouts (with all the copyright fun re: the modern editions).
>> ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Maybe we need such a text.  Anyone interested in editing one with me?
>>
>> Best to all and happy weekend,****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Brendan****
>>
>> ** **
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>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Lara Dodds <LDodds at english.msstate.edu>
>> wrote:****
>>
>>
>> Have you looked at the Norton Critical editions _Seventeenth-Century
>> British Poetry: 1603-1660_ ed. Rumrich and Chaplin. It's accessible,
>> affordable, and I've found it to be fairly flexible for teaching 17th-C
>> lit. courses on several different themes. It could be combined effectively
>> with the prose anthology Sara suggested.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Best,****
>>
>> Lara ****
>>
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>> >>> "J. Michael Gillum" <mgillum at ret.unca.edu> 9/27/2013 9:34 AM >>>****
>>
>> I don't have a book to suggest, but some political poems to throw in,
>> besides the obvious Multon, Marvell, and Lovelace: ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -James I, sonnet prefatory to Basilikon Doron****
>>
>> -Donne, "Show me, dear Christ"****
>>
>> -Herbert,"The British Church," "The Windows." ****
>>
>> -Wm. Drummond of Hawthornden, epigram on Pym****
>>
>> -Herrick, epigrams "Twixt Kings and Subjects," "Twixt Kings and Tyrants,"
>> "Preposterous is that government," "Tis liberty to serve one lord"****
>>
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>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Sara van den Berg <vandens at slu.edu>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> You might consider including The Grand Quarrel: Women's Memoirs of the
>> English Civil War, edited by Roger Hudson. This anthology includes memoirs
>> by Lucy Hutchinson, Margaret Cavendish, Anne Halkett, Anne Fanshawe, Alice
>> Thornton, and Brilliana Harley. Another possibility would be Her Own Life:
>> Autobiographical Writings by 17th-century Englishwomen, edited by Elspeth
>> Graham et al. That includes selections by Anna Trapnel, Hannah Allen,
>> Quaker women, and others. ****
>>
>> Sara van den Berg****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Brendan Prawdzik <
>> brendanprawdzik at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>>   Dear all,****
>>
>> Next semester I'll be co-teaching a course on History and Literature of
>> the English Civil War[s]. I've been looking for a literary anthology on
>> this particular time period and have not come across anything so narrowly
>> focused. (Restoration Lit can be covered, too. I'm looking for mostly
>> poetry but also some prose.) I'm wondering if any of you teachers have a
>> recommendation. Of course I can patch together a reader but would rather
>> work through a textbook.****
>>
>> Many thanks,****
>>
>> Brendan****
>>
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