[Milton-L] Thoughts on Milton and Satan?

srevard at siue.edu srevard at siue.edu
Wed Dec 4 17:53:22 EST 2013


Marvelous comment and I had totally forgotten it.  Thank you, David!


Quoting David Urban <dvu2 at calvin.edu>:

> Inspired by Stella's comment, I thought I'd quote from C.S. Lewis on Satan:
>
> "Hence all that is said about Milton's 'sympathy' with Satan, his
> expression in Satan of his own pride, malice, folly, misery, and lust, is
> true in a sense, but not in a sense peculiar to Milton.  The Satan in
> Milton enables him to draw the character well just as the Satan in us
> enables us to receive it.  Not as Milton, but as man, he has trodden the
> burning marl, pursued vain war with heaven, and turned aside with leer
> malign.  A fallen man *is* very much like a fallen angel.  That, indeed,
> is one of the things which prevents the Satanic predicament from being
> comic.  It is too near us."  --*Preface to "Paradise Lost,"* pgs. 98-99.
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
>
> David V. Urban, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of English
> Calvin College
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>
>
>
> On 12/4/13 5:27 PM, "srevard at siue.edu" <srevard at siue.edu> wrote:
>
> >What comes out with amazing clarity is not that Milton identifies with
> >Satan,
> >but that so many commentators on the Milton list do.  Wouldn't that make
> >an
> >interesting topic for a panel, a paper, even a dissertation:  "'With leer
> >malign':  just who is really 'of the devil's party,' and do they know
> >it?" Can
> >we look forward to etchings or lithographs of critics sitting nude in
> >their
> >Blakean gardens, somewhat like students in the back of a room at the end
> >of a
> >semester, giggling as they tweet "I just photoshopped Milton Frenchkissing
> >Satan!" and "Better yet, here's a view of them flying through Hell with
> >Satan
> >not yet out of Milton's head!" Envy of the smartest guy and best poet in
> >class,
> >I suppose, has nothing to do with it--Satan might admit that as his
> >motive, but
> >twitterers probably would not. Milton's Satan admits that he hates the
> >Sun's
> >beams--but only in a soliloquy, not to his followers.
> >
> >All in fun of course.
> >
> >
> >Quoting "Bryson, Michael E" <michael.bryson at csun.edu>:
> >
> >> John Leonard (on page 549 of *Faithful Laborers* Vol II) renders the
> >>quote
> >> this way (from page 239 of from Tillyard's *Milton* [1930]):
> >>
> >> "Had Milton been 'stranded in his own Paradise', Tillyard continues, he
> >> 'would very soon have eaten the apple on his own responsibility and
> >> immediately justified the act in a polemical pamphlet.'"
> >>
> >> Michael Bryson
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
> >> [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Buhler
> >> [sbuhler1 at unl.edu]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:04 AM
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> >> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Thoughts on Milton and Satan?
> >>
> >> Frank Kermode credits E. M. W. Tillyard with the remark.  See Kermode,
> >>*An
> >> Appetite for Poetry* (Harvard UP, 1989), p. 76 (in his essay on "Milton
> >>in
> >> Old Age") -- we'll all be digging through Tillyard now!
> >>
> >> With every good wish,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> Stephen M. Buhler
> >> Aaron Douglas Professor and Vice Chair of English
> >> University of Nebraska-Lincoln
> >> sbuhler1 at unl.edu
> >> 402-472-1784
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
> >> [mailto:milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Richard A.
> >>Strier
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 12:33 PM
> >> To: John Milton Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Thoughts on Milton and Satan?
> >>
> >> This reminds me:  does anyone know who made what I consider the greatest
> >> remark ever made about JM-- namely, that if he had been in Eden, he
> >>would
> >> have eaten the apple and then written a pamphlet defending have done it.
> >>
> >> I've always wanted to quote this, and have done it orally but never in
> >>print,
> >> because I never had a source.  Can anyone help?
> >>
> >> RS
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
> >> [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] on behalf of Bryson, Michael E
> >> [michael.bryson at csun.edu]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:03 AM
> >> To: John Milton Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Thoughts on Milton and Satan?
> >>
> >> You'll want to look at Neil Forsyth's work--The Satanic Epic (2003) and
> >>The
> >> Old Enemy (1987)--to start with. Others here will have plenty of
> >>additional
> >> suggestions, but Forsyth should be at the top of your list.
> >>
> >> Good luck with your research,
> >>
> >> Michael Bryson
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
> >> [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Heather Moon
> >> [hthrmn7 at gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:34 PM
> >> To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
> >> Subject: [Milton-L] Thoughts on Milton and Satan?
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >> I'm new to the list but I've been doing some research on Milton and his
> >> connection to the character Satan in Paradise Lost. I've noticed some
> >> similarities between Milton and his character Satan, mainly that they
> >>are
> >> both ambitious, they both fight against authority, and they're both
> >>radicals.
> >> I also noticed that the views in writing in Satan's speeches are
> >>similar so
> >> some of Milton's early work, particularly in his piece Against Prelaty.
> >>I've
> >> been theorizing that Milton may have been putting his own personality
> >>and
> >> views into his character Satan in order to fight against the church,
> >> particularly against the prelates and possibly Calvinism. Do you have
> >>any
> >> thoughts on this matter and where I might go for further research?
> >>
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