[Milton-L] Thoughts on Milton and Satan?

Gregory Machacek Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu
Wed Dec 4 15:12:55 EST 2013


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   Excellent-- thanks!  I thought all along it might be Tillyard-- just couldn't find the ref.  Very helpful indeed.  Despite The Eliz World Picture, and his very conservative book on Sh's Histories, Tillyard is surprisingly willing to see Milton, esp. in PL, as divided against himself.

RS
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John Leonard (on page 549 of *Faithful Laborers* Vol II) renders the quote this way (from page 239 of from Tillyard's *Milton* [1930]):

"Had Milton been 'stranded in his own Paradise', Tillyard continues, he 'would very soon have eaten the apple on his own responsibility and immediately justified the act in a polemical pamphlet.'"

Michael Bryson


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Frank Kermode credits E. M. W. Tillyard with the remark.  See Kermode, *An Appetite for Poetry* (Harvard UP, 1989), p. 76 (in his essay on "Milton in Old Age") -- we'll all be digging through Tillyard now!

With every good wish,

Steve

Stephen M. Buhler
Aaron Douglas Professor and Vice Chair of English
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
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This reminds me:  does anyone know who made what I consider the greatest remark ever made about JM-- namely, that if he had been in Eden, he would have eaten the apple and then written a pamphlet defending have done it.

I've always wanted to quote this, and have done it orally but never in print, because I never had a source.  Can anyone help?

RS

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You'll want to look at Neil Forsyth's work--The Satanic Epic (2003) and The Old Enemy (1987)--to start with. Others here will have plenty of additional suggestions, but Forsyth should be at the top of your list.

Good luck with your research,

Michael Bryson
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Hello everyone,
I'm new to the list but I've been doing some research on Milton and his connection to the character Satan in Paradise Lost. I've noticed some similarities between Milton and his character Satan, mainly that they are both ambitious, they both fight against authority, and they're both radicals. I also noticed that the views in writing in Satan's speeches are similar so some of Milton's early work, particularly in his piece Against Prelaty. I've been theorizing that Milton may have been putting his own personality and views into his character Satan in order to fight against the church, particularly against the prelates and possibly Calvinism. Do you have any thoughts on this matter and where I might go for further research?

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