[Milton-L] Milton-L Digest, Vol 72, Issue 6

Matthew Jordan matthewjorda at gmail.com
Sun Nov 18 14:39:32 EST 2012

Where is my response about Vienna and Milton? Am I doing something wrong?

On 18 Nov 2012, at 18:26, Carrol Cox wrote:

> Adam & Eve often appeared  in cartoons in popular magazines. In fact such
> cartoons probably have been a major source of popular conceptions of Eden.
> Carrol
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of James Rovira
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>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Milton-L Digest, Vol 72, Issue 6
>> Klimt was Austrian... particularly, Viennese.  The Eve painting was among
> his very
>> last, as he died before he could finish it.  He doesn't do Biblical
> subjects very often
>> at all -- there's Judith and the Head of Holofernes, this one, and Judith
> II that
>> seem to be explicitly about Biblical subjects.  The Klimt website seems
> more
>> inclined to attribute influence to his models themselves; it could be this
> subject
>> was called Eve only because of her wide hips (mother of all the living)
> and long,
>> flowing hair.  He had been attacked for "pornography" by critics in his
> own
>> country -- retreating Nazis destroyed his three faculty paintings over 20
> years
>> after his death -- so it could be he chose to identify this subject with
> Eve to divert
>> some of this criticism.
>> It'd be difficult to make a serious argument for Miltonic influence, I
> think, and
>> once we start talking about general influence we leave ourselves open to
> the
>> possibility of the general influence of many different artists and
> authors, especially
>> for figures like Adam and Eve.  But it's an interesting rabbit to chase...
>> Jim R
>> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Aaron Drucker <penandpaper at me.com>
>> wrote:
>> 	I'm a tremendous fan of speculation.  (It's kind of what keeps many
> of us
>> that are employed in continued employment.)  And I've always been on the
> fence
>> about Milton's influence on the tradition in toto.  Certainly it appears
> he codified a
>> lot of (particularly Protestant) tradition of the Garden story, but
> material art (and,
>> incidentally, the religious traditions from which Milton derived his
> interpretation of
>> the story) reflects these themes for centuries before and (without
> significant
>> alteration in the artistic tradition) after Milton's masterpiece.
>> 	I guess my real question comes down to which mode and particularly
>> anxious influence Klimt (and similar artists) derive their may depictions
> of Adam,
>> Eve, "the Snake," &c.  Is it the late-medieval artistic tradition and the
> Protestant
>> milieu, or is it something more specific (like a great love of Milton's
> poetry)?  I'm
>> always hesitant to make claims when there is a strong competing tradition
> within
>> an artist's own wheelhouse.  To me, this is a great excuse to start
> reading Klimt's
>> letters, diaries, notes, &c.  Great fun!  And a grant to study in (where
> is Klimt
>> from again?  who has his papers? -- wherever that is!).
>> 	Smiles,
>> 	AD
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