[Milton-L] Milton-L Digest, Vol 72, Issue 6

Carrol Cox cbcox at ilstu.edu
Sun Nov 18 13:26:24 EST 2012


Adam & Eve often appeared  in cartoons in popular magazines. In fact such
cartoons probably have been a major source of popular conceptions of Eden.

Carrol

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> bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of James Rovira
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> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Milton-L Digest, Vol 72, Issue 6
> 
> Klimt was Austrian... particularly, Viennese.  The Eve painting was among
his very
> last, as he died before he could finish it.  He doesn't do Biblical
subjects very often
> at all -- there's Judith and the Head of Holofernes, this one, and Judith
II that
> seem to be explicitly about Biblical subjects.  The Klimt website seems
more
> inclined to attribute influence to his models themselves; it could be this
subject
> was called Eve only because of her wide hips (mother of all the living)
and long,
> flowing hair.  He had been attacked for "pornography" by critics in his
own
> country -- retreating Nazis destroyed his three faculty paintings over 20
years
> after his death -- so it could be he chose to identify this subject with
Eve to divert
> some of this criticism.
> 
> It'd be difficult to make a serious argument for Miltonic influence, I
think, and
> once we start talking about general influence we leave ourselves open to
the
> possibility of the general influence of many different artists and
authors, especially
> for figures like Adam and Eve.  But it's an interesting rabbit to chase...
> 
> 
> Jim R
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Aaron Drucker <penandpaper at me.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 	I'm a tremendous fan of speculation.  (It's kind of what keeps many
of us
> that are employed in continued employment.)  And I've always been on the
fence
> about Milton's influence on the tradition in toto.  Certainly it appears
he codified a
> lot of (particularly Protestant) tradition of the Garden story, but
material art (and,
> incidentally, the religious traditions from which Milton derived his
interpretation of
> the story) reflects these themes for centuries before and (without
significant
> alteration in the artistic tradition) after Milton's masterpiece.
> 
> 	I guess my real question comes down to which mode and particularly
> anxious influence Klimt (and similar artists) derive their may depictions
of Adam,
> Eve, "the Snake," &c.  Is it the late-medieval artistic tradition and the
Protestant
> milieu, or is it something more specific (like a great love of Milton's
poetry)?  I'm
> always hesitant to make claims when there is a strong competing tradition
within
> an artist's own wheelhouse.  To me, this is a great excuse to start
reading Klimt's
> letters, diaries, notes, &c.  Great fun!  And a grant to study in (where
is Klimt
> from again?  who has his papers? -- wherever that is!).
> 
> 	Smiles,
> 	AD
> 




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