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matter what his personal beliefs might have been): otherwise, when the =
Son debates with the Father in Book III, God would be (rather =
ludicrously) arguing with himself; and when the Son offers intercedes by =
offering himself in sacrifice for Man, God would (in effect) be =
committing suicide, relinquishing his immortality and leaving the world =
Godless for three days (and Nietzsche and Empson would be right). They =
must be distinct and separate Persons for the given narrative to make =
sense to fallen human beings.=20

I think his purpose in writing PL was quite different from his purpose =
in writing DDC (if indeed he was the author--and I don't think anyone =
has ever argued successfully against Bill Hunter's case, God rest his =
good soul). What he seems to us to believe for the purposes of an epic =
poem is not necessarily consistent with what he actually believes (or =
professes to believe when he's writing for himself).

Best to all,

Carol Barton



From: Hugh Wilson=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:15 PM
To: John Milton Discussion List=20
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Why did MIlton not use the term Christ in the =
epic


". . . Also, I thought that Milton wasn't Trinitarian."

=20

Many of those scholars who believe Milton=20

wrote DDC admit that Milton was, for many ears,=20

trinitarian.  He slighted Arians repeatedly, and=20

he used trinitarian language in his prose and poetry

more than once.   "The Nativity Ode" and "Of=20

Reformation" provide examples.  In the former,

Milton speaks bof "Trinal Unity" and in the latter,=20

Milton praises "one Tripersonal GODHEAD" =20

(Flannagan, Riverside ed., 38; 900).

=20

Discrepancies between the uncontested works

and DDC have provoked skepticism of Milton's

authorship of the treatise.

=20

Hugh F. Wilson, Ph.D.

Professor, Department of English

  and Foreign Languages

Grambling State University

Grambling, LA 71245

Office: (318) 274-2287

Home: (318) 254-1190

wilsonh at gram.edu

=20

P.S.  Sorry for the belated posting.  I can

only read e-mail at long intervals, after

I've taught my classes.

=20

From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu =
[mailto:milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Horace Jeffery =
Hodges
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 6:38 PM
To: John Milton Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Why did MIlton not use the term Christ in the =
epic

=20

But Milton uses "Messiah" in PL to refer to the Son long before the =
incarnation, let alone the resurrection, so I still don't understand =
your point. I must be missing some step. Also, I thought that Milton =
wasn't Trinitarian.

=20

Jeffery Hodges

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Carol Barton, Ph.D., CPCM =
<cbartonphd1 at verizon.net> wrote:

"Christ" is specific to crucifixion--to the resurrected Lord who in the =
act of death and resurrection becomes the Messiah, Jeffery.

=20

"Jesus" refers to the Son of Man; "the Son" to the third member of the =
Trinity.

=20

At least, that's what I learned from Tom Kranidas about Milton's =
lexicon.

=20

Best to all,=20

=20

Carol Barton

=20

From: Horace Jeffery Hodges=20

Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:33 PM

To: John Milton Discussion List=20

Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Why did MIlton not use the term Christ in the =
epic

=20

The term "Messiah" also occurs in the New Testament, i.e., John 1:21 and =
4:25. Moreover, the Septuagint uses "Christos," so I am not yet =
convinced that Milton avoided the term "Christ" because it recalls the =
Son's mission on Earth.

Jeffery Hodges

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Shell Zappa <michelleazappa at gmail.com> =
wrote:

Both 'Jesus' meaning saviour and 'Christ' coming from the Greek, and =
appearing in the New Testament carry a sense of the Son's mission on =
Earth, one he is set up to do in PL, but which has not yet happened.=20

Using 'Son' allows for an exploration of the Son's creation, and refers =
to his closeness to God the Father.

I wonder, however, if anyone can recall if Christ or Jesus is used in =
Paradise Regained? I don't have a copy to hand, but I believe Milton =
again uses 'Son'.

Michelle

On 10 Sep 2012 21:06, "Michael Gillum" <mgillum at unca.edu> wrote:

Although "Christos" was originally a translation of "Messiah" into =
Greek,  in English, to my ear anyway,  "Messiah" retains a semantic =
connection to the kingship of Israel (the kings were of course anointed) =
that "Christ" seems to have shed. In PL, "Messiah" is used to indicate =
the Son in his role as heavenly king and conqueror. It is curious that =
Milton uses "Jesus" only once and "Christ" not at all.=20

=20

Michael

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Horace Jeffery Hodges =
<horacejeffery at gmail.com> wrote:

Carol, could you clarify this point for me? The term "Messiah" also =
means "anointed" and is used several times in Paradise Lost to refer to =
the Son. Do you mean that the Hebrew term was used by Milton with a =
different referent than the Greek term was?=20

=20

Jeffery Hodges=20

=20

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Carol Barton, Ph.D., CPCM =
<cbartonphd1 at verizon.net> wrote:

Jesus is not the Christ until he is crucified, Mineo. In linear time, at =
the time that Paradise Lost occurs, Jesus has not yet been born: that is =
also why Milton refers to Him only as the Son.

=20

All good wishes,

=20

Carol Barton

=20

From: Mineo Moritani=20

Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:20 PM

To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu=20

Subject: [Milton-L] Why did MIlton not use the term Christ in the epic

=20

Dear colleagues,

=20

I wonder why Milton did not use the term Christ all through the epic =
Paradise Lost.

Do any of you know the reason for this?

=20

                                                           Mineo =
Moritani

=20

=20

=20



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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Jeffery (and Hugh--whose belatedness I share =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>From a narrative perspective, Milton =
*couldn't* be=20
Trinitarian (no matter what his personal beliefs might have been): =
otherwise,=20
when the Son debates with the Father in Book III, God would be (rather=20
ludicrously) arguing with himself; and when the Son offers intercedes by =

offering himself in&nbsp;sacrifice&nbsp;for Man, God would (in effect) =
be=20
committing suicide, relinquishing his immortality and leaving the world =
Godless=20
for three days&nbsp;(and Nietzsche and Empson would be right). They must =
be=20
distinct and separate Persons for the given narrative to&nbsp;make sense =
to=20
fallen human beings.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>I think his purpose in writing PL was quite =
different=20
from his purpose in writing DDC (if indeed he was the author--and I =
don't think=20
anyone has ever argued successfully against Bill Hunter's case, God rest =
his=20
good soul). What he seems to us to believe for the purposes of an epic =
poem is=20
not necessarily consistent with what he actually believes (or professes =
to=20
believe when he's writing for himself).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Best to all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Carol Barton</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dwilsonh at gram.edu=20
href=3D"mailto:wilsonh at gram.edu">Hugh Wilson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dmilton-l at lists.richmond.edu=20
href=3D"mailto:milton-l at lists.richmond.edu">John Milton Discussion =
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Milton-L] Why did MIlton not use the term =
Christ in=20
the epic</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
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. . </SPAN>Also, I thought that Milton wasn't =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
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DDC admit that Milton was, for many ears, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
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He slighted Arians repeatedly, and <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
11pt">he=20
used trinitarian language in his prose and poetry<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
11pt">more=20
than once.&nbsp;&nbsp; =93The Nativity Ode=94 and =93Of =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
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provide examples.&nbsp; In the former,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
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speaks bof =93Trinal Unity=94 and in the latter, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
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praises =93one <I>Tripersonal</I> GODHEAD=94&nbsp; =
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
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DDC have provoked skepticism of Milton=92s<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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of the treatise.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
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F. Wilson, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Department of English<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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and Foreign Languages<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
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State University<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
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LA 71245<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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read e-mail at long intervals, after<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu =
[mailto:milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Horace Jeffery Hodges<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, =
September 10,=20
2012 6:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B> John Milton Discussion =
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
[Milton-L] Why did MIlton not use the term Christ in the=20
epic<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>But Milton uses "Messiah" in PL to refer to the Son =
long=20
before the incarnation, let alone the resurrection, so I still don't =
understand=20
your point. I must be missing some step. Also, I thought that Milton =
wasn't=20
Trinitarian.<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3DMsoNormal>Jeffery =
Hodges<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Carol Barton, =
Ph.D., CPCM=20
&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:cbartonphd1 at verizon.net"=20
target=3D_blank>cbartonphd1 at verizon.net</A>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">"Christ" is=20
specific to crucifixion--to the resurrected Lord who in the act of death =
and=20
resurrection becomes the Messiah, Jeffery.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">"Jesus"=20
refers to the Son of Man; "the Son" to the third member of the=20
Trinity.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">At least,=20
that's what I learned from Tom Kranidas about Milton's=20
lexicon.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best to=20
all, </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Carol=20
Barton</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: =
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10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A=20
title=3Dhoracejeffery at gmail.com href=3D"mailto:horacejeffery at gmail.com"=20
target=3D_blank>Horace Jeffery Hodges</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Monday, =
September=20
10, 2012 5:33 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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title=3Dmilton-l at lists.richmond.edu =
href=3D"mailto:milton-l at lists.richmond.edu"=20
target=3D_blank>John Milton Discussion List</A> =
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10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
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[Milton-L] Why=20
did MIlton not use the term Christ in the=20
epic<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P></DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3DMsoNormal>The term "Messiah" =
also occurs in=20
the New Testament, i.e., John 1:21 and 4:25. Moreover, the Septuagint =
uses=20
"Christos," so I am not <I>yet </I>convinced that Milton avoided the =
term=20
"Christ" because it recalls the Son's mission on Earth.<BR><BR>Jeffery=20
Hodges<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Shell Zappa &lt;<A =

href=3D"mailto:michelleazappa at gmail.com"=20
target=3D_blank>michelleazappa at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>Both 'Jesus' meaning saviour and 'Christ' coming from the Greek, and=20
appearing in the New Testament carry a sense of the Son's mission on =
Earth, one=20
he is set up to do in PL, but which has not yet happened. =
<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>Using 'Son' allows for an exploration of the Son's creation, and =
refers to=20
his closeness to God the Father.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>I wonder, however, if anyone can recall if Christ or Jesus is used in =

Paradise Regained? I don't have a copy to hand, but I believe Milton =
again uses=20
'Son'.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>Michelle<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>On 10 Sep 2012 21:06, "Michael Gillum" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mgillum at unca.edu" =
target=3D_blank>mgillum at unca.edu</A>&gt;=20
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Although "Christos" was originally a translation of =
"Messiah"=20
into Greek, &nbsp;in English, to my ear anyway, &nbsp;"Messiah" retains =
a=20
semantic connection to the kingship of Israel (the kings were of course=20
anointed) that "Christ" seems to have shed. In PL, "Messiah" is used to =
indicate=20
the Son in his role as heavenly king and conqueror. It is curious that =
Milton=20
uses "Jesus" only once and "Christ" not at all. <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" =
class=3DMsoNormal>Michael<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Horace Jeffery =
Hodges &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:horacejeffery at gmail.com"=20
target=3D_blank>horacejeffery at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Carol, could you clarify this point for me? The =
term=20
"Messiah" also means "anointed" and is used several times in <I>Paradise =

Lost</I> to refer to the Son. Do you mean that the Hebrew term was used =
by=20
Milton with a different referent than the Greek term was?<SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: #888888"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: #888888"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #888888">Jeffery =
Hodges</SPAN>=20
<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Carol Barton, =
Ph.D., CPCM=20
&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:cbartonphd1 at verizon.net"=20
target=3D_blank>cbartonphd1 at verizon.net</A>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Jesus is=20
not the Christ until he is crucified, Mineo. In linear time, at the time =
that=20
<EM><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Paradise Lost=20
</SPAN></EM>occurs, Jesus has not yet been born: that is also why Milton =
refers=20
to Him only as the Son.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">All good=20
wishes,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Carol=20
Barton</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style=3D"BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Mineo =
Moritani=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style=3D"BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Sunday, =
September=20
09, 2012 9:20 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style=3D"BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A=20
title=3Dmilton-l at lists.richmond.edu =
href=3D"mailto:milton-l at lists.richmond.edu"=20
target=3D_blank>milton-l at lists.richmond.edu</A> =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style=3D"BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> =
[Milton-L] Why did=20
MIlton not use the term Christ in the=20
epic<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'MS UI =
Gothic','serif'">Dear=20
colleagues,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'MS UI =
Gothic','serif'">I wonder=20
why Milton did not use the term Christ all through the epic Paradise=20
Lost.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'MS UI =
Gothic','serif'">Do any of=20
you know the reason for this?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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