[Milton-L] Re: Milton-L Digest, Vol 52, Issue 20

Christopher Baker Christopher.Baker at armstrong.edu
Wed Mar 23 13:02:09 EDT 2011


Thanks to all who responded to my query on PL and usage for their
helpful replies.
Chris Baker 

Dr. Christopher Baker
Professor of English
Department of Languages, Literature and Philosophy
Armstrong Atlantic State University
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Today's Topics:

   1. PL in contemporary usage (Christopher Baker)
   2. Re: PL in contemporary usage (Shoulson, Jeffrey)
   3. Re: PL in contemporary usage (Gregory Machacek)
   4. Re: PL in contemporary usage (John Leonard)
   5. Re: PL in contemporary usage (Ross Leasure)
   6. Re: PL in contemporary usage (Nancy Charlton)
   7. milton in colonial boston (PAULA LOSCOCCO)
   8. RE: milton in colonial boston (Judith H. Anderson)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:14:40 -0400
From: "Christopher Baker" <Christopher.Baker at armstrong.edu>
Subject: [Milton-L] PL in contemporary usage
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"Pandemonium" (1.756) and "all hell broke loose" (4.918) are perhaps
the most famous of Milton's coinages in Paradise Lost, while "His Dark
Materials" (Pullman),  "Darkness Visible" (Styron), "In Dubious Battle"
(Steinbeck), and "Precious Bane" (Mary Webb) are book titles taken from
the epic.  Is there a convenient list somewhere (or the memories of list
members) that would provide other words, phrases, or titles taken from
PL?  I am preparing a brief advertisement for a short course on PL; any
help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris Baker  

Dr. Christopher Baker
Professor of English
Department of Languages, Literature and Philosophy
Armstrong Atlantic State University
11935 Abercorn Street
Savannah, Georgia 31419
912.344.3188 ofc
912.344.3494 fax
 





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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:28:24 -0400
From: "Shoulson, Jeffrey" <jshoulson at mail.as.miami.edu>
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] PL in contemporary usage
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I'm not sure whether this particular question is directly covered
there, but you might want to check out Laura Knopper's and Greg
Semenza's edited collection on Milton in Popular Culture.



Jeffrey S. Shoulson, Ph. D.
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On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Christopher Baker wrote:

"Pandemonium" (1.756) and "all hell broke loose" (4.918) are perhaps
the most famous of Milton's coinages in Paradise Lost, while "His Dark
Materials" (Pullman),  "Darkness Visible" (Styron), "In Dubious Battle"
(Steinbeck), and "Precious Bane" (Mary Webb) are book titles taken from
the epic.  Is there a convenient list somewhere (or the memories of list
members) that would provide other words, phrases
, or titles taken from
PL?  I am preparing a brief advertisement for a short course on PL; any
help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris Baker

Dr. Christopher Baker
Professor of English
Department of Languages, Literature and Philosophy
Armstrong Atlantic State University
11935 Abercorn Street
Savannah, Georgia 31419
912.344.3188 ofc
912.344.3494 fax




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:32:57 -0400
From: Gregory Machacek <Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu>
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] PL in contemporary usage
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The OED has Milton's use of "self-esteem" as the earliest witness.

Greg Machacek
Professor of English
Marist College



                                                                       
                                                              
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"Pandemonium" (1.756) and "all hell broke loose" (4.918) are perhaps
the
most famous of Milton's coinages in Paradise Lost, while "His Dark
Materials" (Pullman),  "Darkness Visible" (Styron), "In Dubious
Battle" (Steinbeck), and "Precious Bane" (Mary Webb) are book titles
taken
from the epic.  Is there a convenient list somewhere (or the memories
of
list members) that would provide other words, phrases, or titles taken
from
PL?  I am preparing a brief advertisement for a short course on PL;
any
help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris Baker

Dr. Christopher Baker
Professor of English
Department of Languages, Literature and Philosophy
Armstrong Atlantic State University
11935 Abercorn Street
Savannah, Georgia 31419
912.344.3188 ofc
912.344.3494 fax




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:00:26 -0400
From: John Leonard <jleonard at uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] PL in contemporary usage
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"Hell broke loose" was proverbial before Milton used the phrase.  OED
cites 
it from 1600 (Hell 10 gen).

The OED credits Milton with the first fully developed astronomical
sense of 
"space" ("Space may produce new worlds," as in "space: the final
frontier"), 
but Lucy Hutchinson and John Evelyn had used this sense before Milton
in 
their respective translations of Lucretius (who had used spatium of
outer 
space).

Still on the topic of astronomy, numerous editors since Keightley have
told 
us that "save appearances" was a technical scholastic term (which it
was) 
and so infer that Raphael's use of the phrase is not mocking, but it is

still possible that Raphael puts a highbrow term to mocking use and so
helps 
to coin the modern colloquial sense.  My own view (for reasons too long
to 
go into here) is that that is exactly what Raphael does.

John Leonard


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> "Pandemonium" (1.756) and "all hell broke loose" (4.918) are perhaps
the 
> most famous of Milton's coinages in Paradise Lost, while "His Dark 
> Materials" (Pullman),  "Darkness Visible" (Styron), "In Dubious
Battle" 
> (Steinbeck), and "Precious Bane" (Mary Webb) are book titles taken
from 
> the epic.  Is there a convenient list somewhere (or the memories of
list 
> members) that would provide other words, phrases, or titles taken
from PL? 
> I am preparing a brief advertisement for a short course on PL; any
help 
> would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Chris Baker
>
> Dr. Christopher Baker
> Professor of English
> Department of Languages, Literature and Philosophy
> Armstrong Atlantic State University
> 11935 Abercorn Street
> Savannah, Georgia 31419
> 912.344.3188 ofc
> 912.344.3494 fax
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:47:54 -0400
From: Ross Leasure <trleasure at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] PL in contemporary usage
To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
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The OED on-line indicates that it contains 610 quotations from Milton
providing the first evidence of a word, and some 2149 quotations
providing
the first evidence of a particular meaning of a word.  Overall, the
OED
contains 12,444 quotations from Milton, 42% of which come from PL.  I'm
now
going to see how he measures up to Shakespeare.  I'm pulling for our
boy.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Baker <
Christopher.Baker at armstrong.edu> wrote:

> "Pandemonium" (1.756) and "all hell broke loose" (4.918) are perhaps
the
> most famous of Milton's coinages in Paradise Lost, while "His Dark
> Materials" (Pullman),  "Darkness Visible" (Styron), "In Dubious
Battle"
> (Steinbeck), and "Precious Bane" (Mary Webb) are book titles taken
from the
> epic.  Is there a convenient list somewhere (or the memories of list
> members) that would provide other words, phrases, or titles taken
from PL?
>  I am preparing a brief advertisement for a short course on PL; any
help
> would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Chris Baker
>
> Dr. Christopher Baker
> Professor of English
> Department of Languages, Literature and Philosophy
> Armstrong Atlantic State University
> 11935 Abercorn Street
> Savannah, Georgia 31419
> 912.344.3188 ofc
> 912.344.3494 fax
>
>
>
>
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-- 
T. Ross Leasure, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Dept. of English
Salisbury University
Salisbury MD 21801
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:31:53 -0700
From: Nancy Charlton <nbcharlton at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] PL in contemporary usage
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I've wondered about "confusion worse confounded."  It has the air 
of a clichΘ in common use, but it may be original to Milton. Any 
clues?

Nancy Charlton
On 3/21/2011 11:47 AM, Ross Leasure wrote:
> The OED on-line indicates that it contains 610 quotations from 
> Milton providing the first evidence of a word, and some 2149 
> quotations providing
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:12:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: PAULA LOSCOCCO <PAULA.LOSCOCCO at lehman.cuny.edu>
Subject: [Milton-L] milton in colonial boston
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Does anyone know of a copy of Milton's 1645 *Poems* in a private
library in pre-Revolution Boston?  And/or, what libraries had a copy of
*Milton's Poetical Works* during the same period?  Thank you.  P.
Loscocco


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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:35:47 -0400
From: "Judith H. Anderson" <anders at indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: [Milton-L] milton in colonial boston
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Any leads in Keith Stavely's *Puritan Legacies: "Paradise Lost" and the
New
England Tradition, 1630-1890*?

Judith

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Does anyone know of a copy of Milton's 1645 *Poems* in a private
library in
pre-Revolution Boston?  And/or, what libraries had a copy of *Milton's
Poetical Works* during the same period?  Thank you.  P. Loscocco
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