[Milton-L] Poetry Daily

Jameela Lares Jameela.Lares at usm.edu
Thu Jun 23 07:50:17 EDT 2011


Of course, if we want to be pendantic we can remember that in handwriting one could double a letter to avoid a descender from above, and in typesetting to lengthen a short line.

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One question springs to mind:  Did Milton use "dimm" to "intensify the gloom of hell" or to retain the spelling of this word in Old English, to give his poetry an Anglo-Saxon flavor?
Salwa

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The
lonng" business , within the poem, serves to bring out the long legs, the gangliness and potential power of the youth when he matures.  It also gives the poet a chance to infer a similarity between the hospital room and Hell.

Nancy


On 6/22/2011 2:37 PM, Hannibal Hamlin wrote:
Isn't "long" already plenty long? "Dim" may need an extra "m" too draw it out, but is there any four-letter word in English longer than "long" -- liquescent, long vowel, nasal, nasal (or more -- what is "ng" anyway? no accident that it ends words like "ring" and "sing").

Hannibal




On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Nancy Charlton <nbcharlton at comcast.net<mailto:nbcharlton at comcast.net>> wrote:
"Loong" perhaps would be too jokey, as the association would be with "loon" or "loony" or even "loo" -- hardly the gravitas appropriate to the poem, even with its light touch.  Or perhaps the nasal "nng" is more analogous to the "mm" of "dimm" with or without the "ness."

Nancy Charlton

On 6/22/2011 1:18 PM, Horace Jeffery Hodges wrote:
Interesting that the poet wanted to lengthen "long" with a double "n" rather than a double "o" . . . and just because of Milton's "dimm"-ness? Or would "lonng" seem longer than "loong"? (Or rather, "lo-ong"?)

Jeffery Hodges

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Forgive the violation of the one-a-day rule, but I thought you'd all enjoy this poem by Mark Doty. By weaving an account dreadful happening with a mythology, it creates a worthwhile subjective spin that redeems the dreadfulness.  And incidentally, employs an unusual Milton reference:

. . . (I want to spell long

with two n's, as Milton spelled
dim with a double m
to intensify the gloom of hell)

http://poems.com/poem.php?date=15148

Nancy Charlton
















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