[Milton-L] KJV in NYTimes

Nancy Charlton nbcharlton at comcast.net
Tue Jan 11 13:46:45 EST 2011

Dear Mitch et al.,

Go to greatsite.com

This is a vendor who brokers the sale and purchase of genuine 
historical bibles and related works.  They say the last real 1611 
KJV to come up for auction went for $440,000. However, you can do 
much better than that with a facsimile reproductions.  They offer 
three different facsimile 1611 KJVs, the top one being a 
specially bound 400th anniversary 17" pulpit size for about 
$1,500, a lesser 17", and an 11" plain-bound for a mere $179 or 
so. It's perhaps wacky, but I get a frisson of emotion just 
looking at the reproduction the first page of Genesis 1 on this 
site.  To own one of these reproductions must be something else.

They offer many other facsimiles, including a facsimile of the 
first 18th c. printing of a 1378 Wycliffe (or a real Wycliffe for 
upwards of $2 million) several Tyndales and Coverdales, the 
Geneva, the Great, the Bishops, original Gutenberg, and lots 
more.  They even have a reproduction of Foxe's Book of Martyrs.

Greatsite also has abundant illustrations and a historical essay 
for general audiences, and this could be a useful resource in 
teaching. Alas, no Milton, except Paradise Lost on a set of 22 
CD-ROMs that includes a real, scanned-in 1611 KJV pulpit Bible, 
the McGuffey Readers, Pilgrim's Progress, 1911 Encyclopedia 
Britannica and a lot more, all for $195.

Still,  for practical use Gordon Campbell's new edition sounds 
like a nice trade-off of authenticity and readability, and at 
around $60 one couldn't do better. I'm going down to Powell's 
Books later today and if they have the Campbell I'll savesave a 
shipping charge. Of course I could phone, but what an excuse to 
go to my favorite Portland hangout!

I rely on Blueletterbible.com for much reference material.  Their 
Strong's is linked to the Gesenius and Thayer lexicons, and they 
offer several modern translations, the Vulgate, the Reina Valera, 
and Greek and Hebrew authoritative manuscripts. Conspicuously 
absent are the Moffat and New English Bible translations, but one 
_can_ use a book now and then!

Nancy Charlton
Beaverton OR

On 1/11/2011 8:15 AM, Mitchell M. Harris wrote:
> Dear Jameela, Nancy, Hannibal, and others-
> Perhaps I will show my own ignorance here, but I would love to 
> know what editions (scholarly, facsimile, etc.) each of you 
> trusts with early modern Bibles. For example, which Tyndale do 
> you use, which Geneva, which King James, which Bishops, etc.?
> I finally tired of walking over to the library every time I 
> wanted to look at the Geneva edition and bought Lloyd Berry's 
> facsimile edition of the 1560 Geneva Bible. I'm wondering, 
> however, if there are better editions out there, and I'd 
> certainly like to know more about Tyndale, King James, Bishops, 
> and the like.
> All the best,
>     Mitch Harris
> Mitchell M. Harris
> Assistant Professor
> Department of English
> Augustana College
> 2001 S. Summit Ave.
> Sioux Falls, SD 57197
> (605) 274-5297
> mitchell.harris at augie.edu
> "To stand inquiring right, is not to stray;
> To sleep, or run wrong, is."
>                 - John Donne
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Jameela Lares wrote:
>> Nancy,
>> I am happy to see any discussion of the KJV in this its 400th 
>> year, as I am starting a Ph.D. seminar next week on Milton, 
>> Bunyan, and the King James Bible.
>> In the past for such classes, I have used F. F. Bruce's 
>> History of the Bible in English (Lutterworth, 2003), though 
>> this year I am using a trade book written by a Miltonist, 
>> Gordon Campbell's readable Bible: The Story of the King James 
>> Version, 1611-2011.  The UK amazon site has an entertaining 
>> video of of the author: 
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bible-Story-James-Version-1611-2011/dp/0199557594/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294699561&sr=1-1.
>> I'll be having the students each choose a book and an article 
>> to report on.  I've already attached my selected bibliography 
>> to the syllabus, but if anyone wants to list a favorite title, 
>> I'm all ears.
>> Jameela Lares
>> Professor of English
>> The University of Southern Mississippi
>> 118 College Drive, #5037
>> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
>> 601 266-4319 ofc
>> 601 266-5757 fax
>> ________________________________________
>> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu 
>> [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Nancy 
>> Charlton [nbcharlton at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:36 PM
>> To: John Milton Discussion List
>> Subject: [Milton-L] KJV in NYTimes
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/opinion/09sun3.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211 
>> This is the URL for a short and gracious appraisal of the 
>> place the King James Bible holds in literature and culture. 
>> The author Verlyn Klinkenborg, concludes:  "Its words are 
>> almost never Latinate, and its rhythms are never hampered by 
>> the literalism that afflicts other translations."
>> I've started and erased half a dozen sentences commenting on 
>> this and trying to bring it deliberately into the purview of 
>> Milton studies, but the most original thing I can think of, 
>> and I don't recall it ever being discussed here, is the 
>> question of verbal antiquity and archaism in Milton's works.
>> Many in our day are as ill-equipped as Tyndale's ploughboy to 
>> take on, say, PL XI.385-422, but few would not be touched by 
>> "...took their solitary way" or "Earth felt the wound." Milton 
>> was generally aware of himself as the author or narrator or 
>> any piece, but he was never preoccupied with his own 
>> responses. This he has in common with the Bible narrations and 
>> even where the poet pours out his soul and describes  
>> physiological effects ("I wept") still focus on the reason 
>> ("...when I remembered Zion.")
>> Would this be worth a discussion, or a study?
>> Nancy Charlton
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