[Milton-L] KJV in NYTimes

James Rovira jamesrovira at gmail.com
Tue Jan 11 13:23:15 EST 2011

Hendrickson has a 1611 facsimile edition:


Jim R

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Samuel Smith <ssmith at messiah.edu> wrote:
> Just to note that the other editor for the Oxford World's Classics KJV was
> Robert (not David) Carroll.  He was an Irishman who lived most of his life
> in Glasgow (teaching at the University), with a profound sense of irony and
> a scintillating, sarcastic wit, a Hebrew Bible scholar (especially the Book
> of Jeremiah) who also wrote a superb little book titled "The Wolf in the
> Sheepfold" (in the US the title is "The Bible as a Problem for
> Christianity").  This hardly does him justice, but seeing him mis-named
> prompted memories of a treasured friend.
> Samuel Smith
>>>> Hannibal Hamlin 01/11/11 12:00 PM >>>
> Dear Mitch,
> I think Lloyd Berry's is still the standard facsimile for the Geneva,
> and it's been reissued quite cheaply. For the KJV, I've been teaching from
> the World's Classics, edited by Stephen Prickett and David Carroll. Another
> excellent option, though, is the Penguin, edited by David Norton. The Oxford
> text is the modern standard -- based on the 1769 edition of Benjamin
> Blayney. Norton's is a different text, both more authentic and less, in
> different ways: it returns to the 1611 text, but it presents it in paragraph
> format (based on Norton's New Cambridge Paragraph Bible). The format is
> really quite illuminating, especially for the narrative books, since these
> can now be read without the continuous interruption of verse breaks. On the
> other hand, those breaks were part of the 1611 text, so this is in effect
> the original KJV text with a format more like Tyndale or Coverdale (verses
> came in with Geneva). Gordon Campbell has a new anniversary edition of the
> KJV for Oxford that I haven't seen. It will be worth checking. There's also
> an odd volume of selected bits and pieces from Longman, King James's Bible,
> edited by W.H. Stevenson. The selection allows for more annotation, perhaps,
> but it's idiosyncratic and thus of limited use. The title is bizarre; this
> Bible was "King James's" only in the sense that he sanctioned it's
> production - he was otherwise uninvolved, and the Bible's long religious,
> cultural, literary influence certainly has little if anything to do with
> him. Also notable among recent publications is the Vulgate being issued in
> the Dumbarton Oaks Medieval Library. It's great to have a good edition of
> the Vulgate, but what's especially valuable is that Douay-Rheims is printed
> on the facing pages. The first volume (Pentateuch) is now out, edited by
> Swift Edgar. For Tyndale, the only options I'm aware of are the Yale modern
> spelling editions of David Daniell.
> There are also, of course, online texts of many early Bibles, especially the
> KJV, though I haven't checked these for accuracy or base texts.
> www.biblos.com is one clearing house for translations all over the web, but
> perhaps even better is http://www.rockhay.org/worship/translat.htm, which
> includes the KJV, Geneva, Douay-Rheims, even Bishops', Tyndale, and
> Wycliffe. As I say, though, I've no idea how reliable these various editions
> are.
> Hannibal
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Mitchell M. Harris
> <mitchell.harris at augie.edu> wrote:
>> Dear Jameela, Nancy, Hannibal, and others-
>> Perhaps I will show my own ignorance here, but I would love to know what
>> editions (scholarly, facsimile, etc.) each of you trusts with early modern
>> Bibles. For example, which Tyndale do you use, which Geneva, which King
>> James, which Bishops, etc.?
>> I finally tired of walking over to the library every time I wanted to look
>> at the Geneva edition and bought Lloyd Berry's facsimile edition of the 1560
>> Geneva Bible. I'm wondering, however, if there are better editions out
>> there, and I'd certainly like to know more about Tyndale, King James,
>> Bishops, and the like.
>> All the best,
>>        Mitch Harris
>> Mitchell M. Harris
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of English
>> Augustana College
>> 2001 S. Summit Ave.
>> Sioux Falls, SD 57197
>> (605) 274-5297
>> mitchell.harris at augie.edu
>> "To stand inquiring right, is not to stray;
>> To sleep, or run wrong, is."
>>                                - John Donne
>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Jameela Lares wrote:
>>> Nancy,
>>> I am happy to see any discussion of the KJV in this its 400th year, as I
>>> am starting a Ph.D. seminar next week on Milton, Bunyan, and the King James
>>> Bible.
>>> In the past for such classes, I have used F. F. Bruce's History of the
>>> Bible in English (Lutterworth, 2003), though this year I am using a trade
>>> book written by a Miltonist, Gordon Campbell's readable Bible: The Story of
>>> the King James Version, 1611-2011.  The UK amazon site has an entertaining
>>> video of of the author:
>>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bible-Story-James-Version-1611-2011/dp/0199557594/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294699561&sr=1-1.
>>> I'll be having the students each choose a book and an article to report
>>> on.  I've already attached my selected bibliography to the syllabus, but if
>>> anyone wants to list a favorite title, I'm all ears.
>>> Jameela Lares
>>> Professor of English
>>> The University of Southern Mississippi
>>> 118 College Drive, #5037
>>> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
>>> 601 266-4319 ofc
>>> 601 266-5757 fax
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
>>> [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Nancy Charlton
>>> [nbcharlton at comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:36 PM
>>> To: John Milton Discussion List
>>> Subject: [Milton-L] KJV in NYTimes
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/opinion/09sun3.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211
>>> This is the URL for a short and gracious appraisal of the place the King
>>> James Bible holds in literature and culture. The author Verlyn Klinkenborg,
>>> concludes:  "Its words are almost never Latinate, and its rhythms are never
>>> hampered by the literalism that afflicts other translations."
>>> I've started and erased half a dozen sentences commenting on this and
>>> trying to bring it deliberately into the purview of Milton studies, but the
>>> most original thing I can think of, and I don't recall it ever being
>>> discussed here, is the question of verbal antiquity and archaism in Milton's
>>> works.
>>> Many in our day are as ill-equipped as Tyndale's ploughboy to take on,
>>> say, PL XI.385-422, but few would not be touched by "...took their solitary
>>> way" or "Earth felt the wound." Milton was generally aware of himself as the
>>> author or narrator or any piece, but he was never preoccupied with his own
>>> responses. This he has in common with the Bible narrations and even where
>>> the poet pours out his soul and describes  physiological effects ("I wept")
>>> still focus on the reason ("...when I remembered Zion.")
>>> Would this be worth a discussion, or a study?
>>> Nancy Charlton
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