[Milton-L] Final lines -- an observation

Amy Carleton carleton.a at husky.neu.edu
Fri Feb 25 05:44:56 EST 2011


I believe the Auden piece to which Dr. Hamlin refers is The Orators (1932?).



Amy Carleton
Northeastern University

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>wrote:

> I hope someone will tell us the title of the Auden poem.
>
> Lord Peter Wimsey also quotes the catalog of the ships in the original
> Greek when he is pretending to be a magician.  It's in a short story. I
> can't remember that title either.
>
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> Someone I found very suggestive and useful when teaching The Iliad some
> years back was Gregory Nagy. His The Best of the Achaeans is excellent, and
> there's also Homeric Questions, which deals with questions like oral
> tradition and myth. I'd also recommend a piece by W.H. Auden (not sure
> where, off-hand -- perhaps in The Dyer's Hand? -- someone on the list will
> know) in which he makes a wonderful case for relishing the catalogue of the
> ships. He says something to the effect that to fail to appreciate this
> catalogue is to miss something fundamental about Homer's aesthetic.
>
> Hannibal
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>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Samuel Smith <SSmith at messiah.edu<mailto:
> SSmith at messiah.edu>> wrote:
> Tony and Jim,
>
> Both essays are available in a single volume published by the New York
> Review of Books, which includes a third essay on Bespaloff's reading by
> Hermann Broch.  "War and the Iliad," 2005.
>
> Samuel
>
> >>> Tony Demarest <tonydemarest at hotmail.com<mailto:
> tonydemarest at hotmail.com>> 2/24/2011 12:26 PM >>>
> Jim-
>
> If you can, Simone Weil's essay on the Iliad: a Poem of Force is excellent
> for revealing a modern appeal; Rachel Bespaloff has written an essay which
> may in response to Weil's. Both done during WWII, I think.
>
> Tony
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:12:57 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Final lines -- an observation
> From: jamesrovira at gmail.com<mailto:jamesrovira at gmail.com>
> To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu<mailto:milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>
> On a note related to our very interesting discussion of the Iliad: I'll be
> teaching the Iliad for the first time this coming Fall in a Comparative
> Mythology course.  Any suggestions for teaching it?  Suggestions for
> individual or group activities, recommended approaches, companion texts,
> other works to pair with it, etc., would all be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jim R
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