[Milton-L] Re: Re: Milton & Lilith

Salwa Khoddam skhoddam at cox.net
Mon Apr 25 14:18:16 EDT 2011


I agree with you Quadir, but is there anything else in the poem that suggests this connection, or is it just and isolated allusion?
Salwa
Salwa Khoddam, Ph.D.
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Oklahoma City University
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  From: Qadir 
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  Dear Larisa,
  Your point is surely interesting from the point of view of the history of criticism. As for the allusion itself, I must say the reference to Hecate is unmistakable, though the possibility of an alternative suggestion is indeed intriguing.
  By the way, I didn't see Fowler's formidable edition in your collection! He glosses Night-hag as "Hecate, whose charms were used by Circe in her spell against Scylla." Perhaps, that's why Milton thought of Hecate in the first place: he thought of her the moment Scylla came to his mind. Still, there remains the question whether Milton was aware of the Hecate/Lilith association or not. I'd be surprised if he didn't. 

  I thank professor khoddam for her comment. I agree with her that we should not so quickly load our imaginative guns and aim far. However, supposing that Milton knew about the Hecate/Lilith association, I respectfully insist there must be more to the allusion than she allows.

  Qadir - Tehran



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  From: "Zámbóné Kocic Larisa" <larisa at lit.u-szeged.hu>
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  Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 10:48:39 +0200
  Subject: [Milton-L] Hecate (WAS: Milton & Lilith)

  Dear Qadir!



  In almost  all editions of Paradise Lost that I have collected so far (Hughes, Lewalski, Kerrigan-Rumrich-Fallon, Fletcher, Raffael) there is a note to 2.662 identifying the Night-Hag with Hecate in more or less detail (except for Elledge). 

  It is, however, interesting to note how earlier editions like Newton’s (1750) and Hawkins’ (1824) make no mention of it. Wonder when and why Hecate crept in? I guess, Prof. Leonard will know all about this „intrusion” for he is surveying and summarizing the most influential criticism written between 1667 and 1970 for a Milton Variorum edition.



  Larisa Kocic-Zambo (Hungary)







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  From: "Salwa Khoddam" <skhoddam at cox.net>
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  Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:25:59 -0500
  Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: Milton & Lilith

  There are two links here between Milton's Sin and Lilith:  Milton compares Sin to a "Night-Hag" who, in the following lines, travels "in secret,. . . Lur'd with the smell of infant blood" (2. 662. 2-4).   In Babylonian mythology and Hebrew tradition Lilith is a female demon who appears at night, on the lookout for children, and she murders new-born babies.  There's something here, maybe not more than an example of Milton's knowledge of Middle Eastern mythology. In the following line, Milton links her with Nordic witches, the "Lapland Witches" (665).  A powerful example of his syncreticism.
  Salwa

  Salwa Khoddam, Ph.D.
  Professor of English, Emerita
  Oklahoma City University
  2501 N. Blackwelder
  OKC, OK  73106
  Phone:  405-208-5127
  Email:  skhoddam at cox.net


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