[Milton-L] Milton's Cosmos and Universe

Michael Gillum mgillum at unca.edu
Tue Jan 19 16:14:21 EST 2010


One thought, the whole thing is unified "because I am who fill / Infinitude"
(7.168). That could help justify "universe." But the whole thing is not
ordered or "cosmic."

Michael


On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Horace Jeffery Hodges <
jefferyhodges at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Michael, for the correction of Curry's name. Does anyone know where
> the other diagram comes from? As for your reservations -- and those of
> Professor Danielson -- I had just noted my own concerns in a comment to that
> blog entry (and alluding to Danielson):
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> http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2010/01/miltons-cosmos-or-universe.html
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> *Uncle Cran, I had the same reservations as you. I couldn't quite see how
> an "ordered system" could include chaos . . . unless it implies that chaos
> is kept in its place. But "cosmos" would better fit the ordered world of
> creation, in my opinion.
> *
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> *I'm not sure that Milton himself used the terms "cosmos" and "universe"
> in the ways noted in this blog entry. Maybe only the Milton scholars do.
> *
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> *I asked about the distinction on the Milton List yesterday, and one
> prominennt scholar acknowledged that the distinction is used but that he
> finds it "strained and unhelpful." Maybe the terms should be changed from
> "universe" and "cosmos" to "universe" and "multiverse" -- as that scholar
> suggests.*
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> I'm willing to use whatever distinction people find useful. In my
> opinion, the term "cosmos" fits the created world that is encompassed by the
> *primum mobile* (for that is consistent with tradition), and the term
> "universe" better refers to the totality of 'cosmos', heaven, hell, and
> chaos.
>
>
> Jeffery Hodges
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> *From:* Michael Gillum <mgillum at unca.edu>
> *To:* John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> *Sent:* Wed, January 20, 2010 3:59:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Milton-L] Milton's Cosmos and Universe
>
> Jeffery,
>
> The author is Walter (not William) Clyde Curry.
>
> One problem with *cosmos* as the name for the whole thing is its
> implication of order. Aren't *cosmos* and *chaos* considered antonyms? The
> whole thing in PL consists of three ordered places in a sea of chaos. There
> was a thread here maybe a year ago where several people thought that *universe
> *was the better name for the whole thing. In PL, Milton refers to our
> universe as "the world" and as "Heaven and Earth" (invisibly hyphenated). So
> *universe* is available for the whole thing.
>
> Michael
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Horace Jeffery Hodges <
> jefferyhodges at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  To my scholarly discredit, I've only this morning learned that Milton
>> scholars distinguish "cosmos" from "universe" in Milton's *Paradise Lost*.
>> I've posted two well-known illustrations on my blog, but I can't recall and
>> haven't found the source for one of them (though I think that it's Hughes).
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>> If anyone can help, please visit the following blog entry and provide the
>> reference details:
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>> http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2010/01/miltons-cosmos-or-universe.html
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>> Jeffery Hodges
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