[Milton-L] She Resort + Ribbing

Campbell, W. Gardner Gardner_Campbell at baylor.edu
Thu Jan 7 14:08:01 EST 2010


Yes, yes, and yes to this!

Gardner

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From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu [mailto:milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Judith Herz
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [Milton-L] She Resort + Ribbing

Whenever possible in my writing and in nearly every course I teach I cite 
Empson and not just about Milton.  As Van Morrison sang about Donne:  rave 
on William Empson, rave on.  There are few critics who are so often right 
(even when they're "wrong").
Judith
.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mario A. DiCesare" <dicesare1 at mindspring.com>
To: "John Milton Discussion List" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] She Resort + Ribbing


> Dear Marlene,
>
> More than once I have been publicly rebuked, in the discussion after a 
> paper, for favorably citing Empson. I am delighted to see someone as 
> widely respected as John Leonard referring to him favorably -- or so it 
> seems.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mario
>
>
>
>
> Marlene Edelstein wrote:
>> Empson a crank!?! If I hadn't happened to read Seven Types of Ambiguity 
>> when I was a sixth-former, mostly attracted by the title, poetry, which 
>> has given my life so much meaning, would have been closed to me.
>>        Cranks for ever!!!!
>>
>>              cheerzM
>>
>> believe everything, believe nothing
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 7/1/10, John Leonard /<jleonard at uwo.ca>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>     From: John Leonard <jleonard at uwo.ca>
>>     Subject: Re: [Milton-L] She Resort + Ribbing
>>     To: "John Milton Discussion List" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>>     Date: Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 16:38
>>
>>     Dear Dario,
>>      No need to excuse yourself!  On the contrary, the fact that you
>>     see these things independently offers heartening support to those
>>     of us (I hope the majority) who think that such patterns of
>>     cross-reference really do exist in PL and that Empson (who has
>>     sometimes been dismissed as a crank) is not merely imagining them.
>>      All best,
>>      John
>>
>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>         *From:* Dario Rivarossa
>>         </mc/compose?to=dario.rivarossa at gmail.com>
>>         *To:* milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
>>         </mc/compose?to=milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>>         *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:25 AM
>>         *Subject:* [Milton-L] She Resort + Ribbing
>>
>>         Dear Marlene and John
>>
>>         I thank you very much for your precious references. As an 
>> Italian, I am a self-made Milton scholar, so excuse me
>>         when I "discover" things that are well knowm from the era ---
>>         of Adam and Eve, in fact.
>>
>>         D
>>
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