[Milton-L] Re: Milton Society Dinner

Aaron Drucker penandpaper at mac.com
Mon Dec 27 17:42:36 EST 2010


Jameela --

I would also like to attend the dinner.  I'll pay at the door as well.

Thanks so much.

Aaron Drucker
Claremont Graduate University

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>   4. RE: Milton Society of America dinner (Jameela Lares)
>   5. RE: Milton Society of America dinner--oops (Jameela Lares)
>   6. Re: Paul Stevens on Milton's Satan (smb at unlserve.unl.edu)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:08:09 +0000
> From: mjarnold at ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner
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> Jameela--Bill and I would like to attend the dinner and will pay at the door.  Many thanks.
> 
> Margaret Arnold
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>
> Sender: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:16:33 
> To: John Milton Discussion List<milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Reply-To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Subject: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner
> 
> Colleagues,
> 
> Although the published deadline for reservations has passed, I am still able for a brief time to take reservations for the Milton Society of America dinner, to be held during MLA in Los Angeles on January 8, 2011, at the Los Angeles Athletic Club.  The social hour/cash bar is at 6:00, and dinner at 7:15.  Tickets for dinner are $60.00.  
> 
> Jameela Lares
> Professor of English
> The University of Southern Mississippi
> 118 College Drive, #5037
> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
> 601 266-4319 ofc
> 601 266-5757 fax
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:14:08 -0500
> From: "Schwartz, Louis" <lschwart at richmond.edu>
> Subject: [Milton-L] FW from Stephen Buhler
> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
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> 
> Because of some sort of techical problem that we're looking into, the following message from Stephen Buhler failed to make it to the list in the usual way.  I offered to forward it for him:
> 
> -------------------------------------------
> 
> RE: Paul Stevens on Milton's Satan
> 
> What a lovely gift for us all, Feisal!  Many thanks to you for sharing this -- and to Paul for, yet once more, showing us how it's done.
> 
> With very best wishes for the holidays and long after,
> 
> Steve
> 
> Stephen M. Buhler
> Aaron Douglas Professor of English
> University of Nebraska-Lincoln
> sbuhler1 at unl.edu
> 
> Quoting Feisal Mohamed <f.mohamed00 at gmail.com>:
> 
> 
> 
> ======================
> Louis Schwartz
> Associate Professor of English
> University of Richmond
> Richmond, VA  23173
> (804) 289-8315
> lschwart at richmond.edu
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:17:54 -0500
> From: "Schwartz, Louis" <lschwart at richmond.edu>
> Subject: [Milton-L] FW another message from Stephen Buhler
> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
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> Here is a second message from Stephen Buhler that failed to go though:
> 
> ====================
> 
> The essay to which Jameela kindly referred is "Preventing Wizards: The  
> Magi in Milton's Nativity Ode," *Journal of English and Germanic  
> Philology* 96.1 (January 1997): 42-57.  Part of the argument is indeed  
> that Milton's "Hymn" must arrive before the Magi as a part of salvific  
> decorum: knowledgeable, if sometimes simple, faith should take  
> precedence over (and before) ignorant, if sometimes learned, inquiry.
> Chris Grose, by the way, shepherded that memorable UCLA seminar.
> With every good wish for the new year,
> 
> Steve
> 
> Stephen M. Buhler
> Aaron Douglas Professor of English
> University of Nebraska-Lincoln
> sbuhler1 at unl.edu
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>:
>> Further to Harold's answer to #3, George Herbert said in one of his   
>> Easter poems, "All music is but three parts vied and multiplied."
>> 
>> I don't now recall the argument in Steve Buhler's article about the   
>> "star-led wizards," but I remember being the the graduate seminar at  
>> UCLA some twenty-five years ago where he first got the idea.
>> 
>> I am up already, "while the Heav'n by the Suns team untrod, / Hath   
>> took no print of the approching light," and I wish you all a Merry   
>> Christmas.
>> 
>> Jameela Lares
>> Professor of English
>> The University of Southern Mississippi
>> 118 College Drive, #5037
>> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
>> 601 266-4319 ofc
>> 601 266-5757 fax
>> ________________________________________
>> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu   
>> [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Harold Skulsky   
>> [hskulsky at smith.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 6:49   
>> PMhttps://golden.usm.edu/owa/?ae=PreFormAction&t=IPM.Note&a=Reply&id=RgAAAADD7peR1YjnQaM91f2WpdUjBwCKkHT8X%2fqpTb3VSBhCdYwhAACMNRw9AABKWTtXwqGpSLBIkcW48PJrAAgXPgujAAAJ#
>> To: John Milton Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] humble ode
>> 
>> (1) Is there a name for a poem which puns in its title by such a word
>> as Milton's "On" the Morning, where "on" is both occasion and subject?
>> My guess would be no; the double meaning in question is peculiar to   
>> English "on."
>> 
>> (2) At line 24 of the intro do others (reading slowly as I do)
>> speculate that, having somehow "seen" the "star-led wizards hasting"
>> their way to Bethlehem (line 22-3), he is telling himself to go there
>> even more quickly and beat them to the finish-line (because at the
>> least he's got the twelve days of Christmas in which to do it)?
>> Yes.
>> 
>> (3) Reading slowly, and not charging on into the ode proper, are we
>> given the conceited vision of parties converging on the manger, the
>> three plus camels and things from the east guided by a star and J. M.
>> all by himself but knowing more than  they do, to make a beeline to
>> Bethlehem.
>> Yes -- though the real favorite to win the contest of music   
>> offerings is Urania (Heavenly Muse), the source of the prophetic   
>> inspiration that qualifies M to be the champion of the Divine Order,  
>> and sing with the angels. On the other side, the Magi's Muse is the  
>> Natural Order (they are natural magicians from the East).
>> The rivalry of Muses is friendly of course; in the ensuing Christmas  
>> "symphony," the deep organ of nature sings bass to the angels'   
>> treble, to make up the full "consort" of creation.
>> 
>> 
> 
> ======================
> Louis Schwartz
> Associate Professor of English
> University of Richmond
> Richmond, VA  23173
> (804) 289-8315
> lschwart at richmond.edu
> ________________________________________
> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of mjarnold at ku.edu [mjarnold at ku.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: John Milton Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner
> 
> Jameela--Bill and I would like to attend the dinner and will pay at the door.  Many thanks.
> 
> Margaret Arnold
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>
> Sender: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:16:33
> To: John Milton Discussion List<milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Reply-To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Subject: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner
> 
> Colleagues,
> 
> Although the published deadline for reservations has passed, I am still able for a brief time to take reservations for the Milton Society of America dinner, to be held during MLA in Los Angeles on January 8, 2011, at the Los Angeles Athletic Club.  The social hour/cash bar is at 6:00, and dinner at 7:15.  Tickets for dinner are $60.00.
> 
> Jameela Lares
> Professor of English
> The University of Southern Mississippi
> 118 College Drive, #5037
> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
> 601 266-4319 ofc
> 601 266-5757 fax
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:19:02 -0600
> From: Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>
> Subject: RE: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner
> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
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> 
> Excellent!  I was mourning your absence on my reservation list.
> 
> See you soon.
> 
> Jameela Lares
> Professor of English
> The University of Southern Mississippi
> 118 College Drive, #5037
> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
> 601 266-4319 ofc
> 601 266-5757 fax
> ________________________________________
> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of mjarnold at ku.edu [mjarnold at ku.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: John Milton Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner
> 
> Jameela--Bill and I would like to attend the dinner and will pay at the door.  Many thanks.
> 
> Margaret Arnold
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>
> Sender: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:16:33
> To: John Milton Discussion List<milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Reply-To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Subject: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner
> 
> Colleagues,
> 
> Although the published deadline for reservations has passed, I am still able for a brief time to take reservations for the Milton Society of America dinner, to be held during MLA in Los Angeles on January 8, 2011, at the Los Angeles Athletic Club.  The social hour/cash bar is at 6:00, and dinner at 7:15.  Tickets for dinner are $60.00.
> 
> Jameela Lares
> Professor of English
> The University of Southern Mississippi
> 118 College Drive, #5037
> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
> 601 266-4319 ofc
> 601 266-5757 fax
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:30:50 -0600
> From: Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>
> Subject: RE: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner--oops
> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Oops, sorry for a private message on this list.
> 
> Jameela Lares
> Professor of English
> The University of Southern Mississippi
> 118 College Drive, #5037
> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
> 601 266-4319 ofc
> 601 266-5757 fax
> ________________________________________
> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Jameela Lares [Jameela.Lares at usm.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:19 PM
> To: John Milton Discussion List
> Subject: RE: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner
> 
> Excellent!  I was mourning your absence on my reservation list.
> 
> See you soon.
> 
> Jameela Lares
> Professor of English
> The University of Southern Mississippi
> 118 College Drive, #5037
> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
> 601 266-4319 ofc
> 601 266-5757 fax
> ________________________________________
> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of mjarnold at ku.edu [mjarnold at ku.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: John Milton Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner
> 
> Jameela--Bill and I would like to attend the dinner and will pay at the door.  Many thanks.
> 
> Margaret Arnold
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>
> Sender: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:16:33
> To: John Milton Discussion List<milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Reply-To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Subject: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner
> 
> Colleagues,
> 
> Although the published deadline for reservations has passed, I am still able for a brief time to take reservations for the Milton Society of America dinner, to be held during MLA in Los Angeles on January 8, 2011, at the Los Angeles Athletic Club.  The social hour/cash bar is at 6:00, and dinner at 7:15.  Tickets for dinner are $60.00.
> 
> Jameela Lares
> Professor of English
> The University of Southern Mississippi
> 118 College Drive, #5037
> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
> 601 266-4319 ofc
> 601 266-5757 fax
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:50:32 -0600
> From: smb at unlserve.unl.edu
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Paul Stevens on Milton's Satan
> To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
> Message-ID: <20101223135032.faygkuh8cgosc4ss at wm-imp-3.unl.edu>
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> 
> What a lovely gift for us all, Feisal!  Many thanks to you for sharing  
> this -- and to Paul for, yet once more, showing us how it's done.
> 
> With very best wishes for the holidays and long after,
> 
> Steve
> 
> Stephen M. Buhler
> Aaron Douglas Professor of English
> University of Nebraska-Lincoln
> sbuhler1 at unl.edu
> 
> Quoting Feisal Mohamed <f.mohamed00 at gmail.com>:
> 
>> Hello, all
>> 
>> I just stumbled across an online video of Paul Stevens lecturing on
>> Milton's Satan--very justly a finalist in TV Ontario's annual 'best
>> lecturer' competition--and don't recall it ever being posted to this
>> list.  It's an outstanding introduction to _Paradise Lost_, and one
>> that showcases Paul's prodigious gifts as a speaker.
>> 
>> http://www.tvo.org/TVO/WebObjects/TVO.woa?videoid?24638115001
>> 
>> Happy holidays,
>> Feisal
>> U Illinois
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:57:35 -0600
> From: smb at unlserve.unl.edu
> Subject: RE: [Milton-L] humble ode
> To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
> Message-ID: <20101226175735.job24qexokkog8w0 at wm-imp-2.unl.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=ISO-8859-1;	DelSp="Yes";
> 	format="flowed"
> 
> The essay to which Jameela kindly referred is "Preventing Wizards: The  
> Magi in Milton's Nativity Ode," *Journal of English and Germanic  
> Philology* 96.1 (January 1997): 42-57.  Part of the argument is indeed  
> that Milton's "Hymn" must arrive before the Magi as a part of salvific  
> decorum: knowledgeable, if sometimes simple, faith should take  
> precedence over (and before) ignorant, if sometimes learned, inquiry.
> 
> Chris Grose, by the way, shepherded that memorable UCLA seminar.
> 
> With every good wish for the new year,
> 
> Steve
> 
> Stephen M. Buhler
> Aaron Douglas Professor of English
> University of Nebraska-Lincoln
> sbuhler1 at unl.edu
> 
> Quoting Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>:
> 
>> Further to Harold's answer to #3, George Herbert said in one of his   
>> Easter poems, "All music is but three parts vied and multiplied."
>> 
>> I don't now recall the argument in Steve Buhler's article about the   
>> "star-led wizards," but I remember being the the graduate seminar at  
>> UCLA some twenty-five years ago where he first got the idea.
>> 
>> I am up already, "while the Heav'n by the Suns team untrod, / Hath   
>> took no print of the approching light," and I wish you all a Merry   
>> Christmas.
>> 
>> Jameela Lares
>> Professor of English
>> The University of Southern Mississippi
>> 118 College Drive, #5037
>> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
>> 601 266-4319 ofc
>> 601 266-5757 fax
>> ________________________________________
>> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu   
>> [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Harold Skulsky   
>> [hskulsky at smith.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 6:49   
>> PMhttps://golden.usm.edu/owa/?ae=PreFormAction&t=IPM.Note&a=Reply&id=RgAAAADD7peR1YjnQaM91f2WpdUjBwCKkHT8X%2fqpTb3VSBhCdYwhAACMNRw9AABKWTtXwqGpSLBIkcW48PJrAAgXPgujAAAJ#
>> To: John Milton Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] humble ode
>> 
>> (1) Is there a name for a poem which puns in its title by such a word
>> as Milton's "On" the Morning, where "on" is both occasion and subject?
>> My guess would be no; the double meaning in question is peculiar to   
>> English "on."
>> 
>> (2) At line 24 of the intro do others (reading slowly as I do)
>> speculate that, having somehow "seen" the "star-led wizards hasting"
>> their way to Bethlehem (line 22-3), he is telling himself to go there
>> even more quickly and beat them to the finish-line (because at the
>> least he's got the twelve days of Christmas in which to do it)?
>> Yes.
>> 
>> (3) Reading slowly, and not charging on into the ode proper, are we
>> given the conceited vision of parties converging on the manger, the
>> three plus camels and things from the east guided by a star and J. M.
>> all by himself but knowing more than  they do, to make a beeline to
>> Bethlehem.
>> Yes -- though the real favorite to win the contest of music   
>> offerings is Urania (Heavenly Muse), the source of the prophetic   
>> inspiration that qualifies M to be the champion of the Divine Order,  
>> and sing with the angels. On the other side, the Magi's Muse is the  
>> Natural Order (they are natural magicians from the East).
>> The rivalry of Muses is friendly of course; in the ensuing Christmas  
>> "symphony," the deep organ of nature sings bass to the angels'   
>> treble, to make up the full "consort" of creation.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Milton-L mailing list
>> Milton-L at lists.richmond.edu
>> Manage your list membership and access list archives at   
>> http://lists.richmond.edu/mailman/listinfo/milton-l
>> 
>> Milton-L web site: http://johnmilton.org/
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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