[Milton-L] Re: wow even more attacks via detail crazy glue

Chris Davy zeppelin0314 at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 17 16:03:34 EST 2010


Mr. Lindall, How can anyone respond to that other than thank you for the laugh, 
and to quote the many, "good times." I am going to talk to the person who 
mentioned Harry Potter as I am more in line with that author.




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From: Terrance Lindall <tlindall at gmail.com>
To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 3:46:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: wow even more attacks via detail crazy glue

Take up philosophy, my boy, or go into the stock market. Better, become an 
artist! I can see your point and sympathize! Just enjoy the show and trust in 
your own judgement. And be not afraid to join intelligent discussions...if you 
ever find one...


On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Chris Davy <zeppelin0314 at yahoo.com> wrote:

I have never made a response on this particular forum as I have never thought 
myself worthy. I only have a BA in English Lit. and MA ed. so I think I am 
underqualified. I came to this discussion list several years ago when a 
professor of mine suggested (in my Milton class of course) that any student 
interested in Milton and what scholars have to say on the subject should join. 
While I have on occasion enjoyed the posts, today it seems things got out of 
hand and has furthur strengthened my resolve to stay quiet and never give an 
opinion. (Of course I am doing it now but this will be the only time.) I refuse 
to be blasted by the people of so-called superior mind so I will remain quiet 
other than saying one comment. People make comments and assume a truth or a 
meaning that can never be proven and can only comment concerning opinions. How 
can I, in good conscience, recommend other students to this forum when they may 
feel like I am feeling now? The superior mind should teach accordingly and not 
lessen another human being. Good day to all. 
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From: Nairba Sirrah <nairbasirrah at msn.com> 
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>To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
>Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 1:19:22 PM
>Subject: RE: [Milton-L] Re: wow even more attacks via detail crazy glue
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>Mr. Rovia...and everyone else...would you please mind backing off the personal 
>attack?
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>My "even slightly" comment was in regard to Milton's main rhetorical theme, 
>justifying "the ways of God to men." I wasn't talking about the obvious 
>character names and locale. I meant the central narrative. Jesus existing before 
>Jesus was born. Jesus speaking God's sentences from Genesis, etc.
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>It is a complete reconstruction, without any Biblical foundation for doing so. 
>Justifying "the ways of god to men" by altering every essential biblical 
>narrative is, in my opinion, religious crime.
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>I've tried to peacefully state my points. But I refuse to take part in petty 
>semantical banter. I have not called anyone any names. Nor meant any personal 
>offence. But except for Mr. Lindall, everyone who has addressed me has done so 
>with a direct interest to to slight me or distort my purpose, categorizing me 
>personally, etc.
> 
>Unlike you, apparently, I have a life to attend to, and (to your petty 
>jubilation perhaps) will not continue posting today. I'm glad I tested the list 
>waters, but I regret to find they are full of flammable oil. But don't 
>celebrate just yet, I'll be back; I'm a Milton scholar for life.
> 
>"Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood!!" - The Animals, 1964
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:49:47 -0500
>Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: "tasteless" Milton (response)
>From: jamesrovira at gmail.com
>To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
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>I think you're not fully grasping what you grasp either.  You might want to 
>consider what your claims sound like to people reading them.  Here's the main 
>one: 
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><<But Milton's narrative is not in the Bible even slightly.>>
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>"Even slightly"?   
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>Milton's PL had an Adam and Eve.  Genesis had an Adam and Eve.  Milton's Adam 
>and Eve ate a forbidden fruit.  Genesis's Adam and Eve ate a forbidden fruit. 
> Milton's PL had a monotheistic deity who created the universe.  Genesis has a 
>monotheistic deity who created the universe.  I could go on and on, but it's 
>already getting very silly.
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>If you mean that many of the details of Milton's narrative are not present in 
>Scripture, I agree.  
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>If you mean that many of the details of Milton's narrative contradict Scripture, 
>I think that's possible, but we'd need to discuss them on a case by case basis. 
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>But "not even slightly"?  That's far too much.
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>Jim R
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