[Milton-L] Re: wow even more attacks via detail crazy glue

Terrance Lindall tlindall at gmail.com
Fri Dec 17 15:46:33 EST 2010


Take up philosophy, my boy, or go into the stock market. Better, become an
artist! I can see your point and sympathize! Just enjoy the show and trust
in your own judgement. And be not afraid to join intelligent
discussions...if you ever find one...

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Chris Davy <zeppelin0314 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have never made a response on this particular forum as I have never
> thought myself worthy. I only have a BA in English Lit. and MA ed. so I
> think I am underqualified. I came to this discussion list several years ago
> when a professor of mine suggested (in my Milton class of course) that any
> student interested in Milton and what scholars have to say on the subject
> should join. While I have on occasion enjoyed the posts, today it seems
> things got out of hand and has furthur strengthened my resolve to stay quiet
> and never give an opinion. (Of course I am doing it now but this will be the
> only time.) I refuse to be blasted by the people of so-called superior mind
> so I will remain quiet other than saying one comment. People make comments
> and assume a truth or a meaning that can never be proven and can only
> comment concerning opinions. How can I, in good conscience, recommend other
> students to this forum when they may feel like I am feeling now? The
> superior mind should teach accordingly and not lessen another human being.
> Good day to all.
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Nairba Sirrah <nairbasirrah at msn.com>
>
> *To:* milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
> *Sent:* Fri, December 17, 2010 1:19:22 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [Milton-L] Re: wow even more attacks via detail crazy glue
>
> Mr. Rovia...and everyone else...would you please mind backing off the
> personal attack?
>
> My "even slightly" comment was in regard to Milton's main rhetorical theme,
> justifying "the ways of God to men." I wasn't talking about the obvious
> character names and locale. I meant the central narrative. Jesus existing
> before Jesus was born. Jesus speaking God's sentences from Genesis, etc.
>
> It is a complete reconstruction, without any Biblical foundation for doing
> so. Justifying "the ways of god to men" by altering every essential biblical
> narrative is, in my opinion, religious crime.
>
> I've tried to peacefully state my points. But I refuse to take part in
> petty semantical banter. I have not called anyone any names. Nor meant any
> personal offence. But except for Mr. Lindall, everyone who has addressed me
> has done so with a direct interest to to slight me or distort my purpose,
> categorizing me personally, etc.
>
> Unlike you, apparently, I have a life to attend to, and (to your petty
> jubilation perhaps) will not continue posting today. I'm glad I tested the
> list waters, but I regret to find they are full of flammable oil. But don't
> celebrate just yet, I'll be back; I'm a Milton scholar for life.
>
> "Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood!!" - The Animals, 1964
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:49:47 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: "tasteless" Milton (response)
> From: jamesrovira at gmail.com
> To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
>
> I think you're not fully grasping what you grasp either.  You might want to
> consider what your claims sound like to people reading them.  Here's the
> main one:
>
> <<But Milton's narrative is not in the Bible even slightly.>>
>
> "Even slightly"?
>
> Milton's PL had an Adam and Eve.  Genesis had an Adam and Eve.  Milton's
> Adam and Eve ate a forbidden fruit.  Genesis's Adam and Eve ate a forbidden
> fruit.  Milton's PL had a monotheistic deity who created the universe.
>  Genesis has a monotheistic deity who created the universe.  I could go on
> and on, but it's already getting very silly.
>
> If you mean that many of the details of Milton's narrative are not present
> in Scripture, I agree.
>
> If you mean that many of the details of Milton's narrative contradict
> Scripture, I think that's possible, but we'd need to discuss them on a case
> by case basis.
>
> But "not even slightly"?  That's far too much.
>
> Jim R
>
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