[Milton-L] Aristophanes & equality

richard strier rastrier at uchicago.edu
Wed Aug 18 14:55:58 EDT 2010


Re Stella's point:  Yes, the dialogue as a whole does, but the question was about 
the Aristophanes myth-- to my mind the most important thing in the dialogue 
(much more so than "Diotoma's" speech).

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>Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:11:35 -0500
>From: srevard at siue.edu  
>Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Aristophanes & equality  
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>I am not sure whether Aristophanes prioritzes male-male love over male-
female or
>female-female, but the dialogue as a whole certainly does.  It is not so
>apparent in translation, where the words lover and beloved might be gender
>neutral.  However, in Greek, they are always masculine.  This is particularly
>striking with beloved--eromenos.  On the ladder of love, the relationship
>between males leads to the higher love Socrates praises.
>Stella Revard
>
>Quoting "Thomas H. Luxon" <Thomas.H.Luxon at dartmouth.edu>:
>
>> Of course Richard is correct. It did not occur to me to draw a sharp line
>> between the story and its teller in this case. When you do that the
>> hierarchical judgements are clearly in the commentary not in the tale. 
Thanks
>> for that, Professor.
>>
>> But this is Aristophanes's own story, is it not? Should we not allow his
>> commentary any interpretive authority? Or, better question: why does he 
feel
>> obliged to draw out or intrude this hierarchical taxonomy of erotic
>> attraction?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 11:28 AM, "richard strier" <rastrier at uchicago.edu> 
wrote:
>>
>> > but I would note that with regard to Aristophanes,
>> > Luxon's view is based on commentary on the myth (and commentary 
which is
>> > itself tricky).
>>
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