[Milton-L] De Doctrina Christiana

John Hale john.hale at otago.ac.nz
Fri Jan 2 16:20:41 EST 2009


Interesting strand.
Best wishes, Roy, and tell us please why you think that comparing  
"works" better than contrasting.
What is meant by "working" in this connection?
John


On 3/01/2009, at 6:53 AM, FLANNAGAN, ROY wrote:

>
> The starting place, as ever, would be in Maurice Kelley's This  
> Great Argument, which matches the epic against the treatise point  
> by theological point.  Sometimes Kelley makes the treatise into a  
> kind of Procrustean bed, but what he wrote still seems well- 
> organized and concise.  That book made Kelley's academic  
> reputation, and it might have assured him a home at Princeton.
>
> Michael Bauman might speak best for the differences between epic  
> and treatise, but I think comparing the two works with each other  
> works better than contrasting them with each other.
>
> Roy Flannagan
> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu on behalf of Michael Gillum
> Sent: Fri 1/2/2009 11:41 AM
> To: milton-l
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] De Doctrina Christiana
>
> Extending Hannibal Hamlin’s question, could I ask people to say  
> what they think are  important differences between ideas stated in  
> DDC and ideas stated or clearly implied in PL (as you interpret it)?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On 1/2/09 11:18 AM, "Hannibal Hamlin" <hamlin.hannibal at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
> A further question that is more hermeneutic than bibliographic --  
> to what extent can Paradise Lost (say) be legitimately interpreted  
> in light of De Doctrina?  This seems to have become common  
> practice, for the obvious reason that the theological positions  
> stated in De Doctrina are considerably easier to determine than  
> those in PL.  But De Doctrina isn't really a handbook to the  
> theology of PL, is it?  If the same man wrote both works, that's  
> certainly interesting, but can we assume that both works express  
> the same ideas, or that their author was of the same mind when he  
> wrote both works?  We might even ask about the relationship about  
> theological ideas to the (written) linguistic expression of them:  
> i.e., is it possible that language can generate ideas as much as  
> the reverse, and even that different kinds of writing (dramatic  
> fictional English verse, say, as opposed to expository Latin prose)  
> might tend to generate different ideas?
>
> Hannibal
>
>
> On 1/2/09, Thomas Corns <els009 at bangor.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> May I suggest reading at least the last chapter of Gordon Campbell,  
> Thomas
> N. Corns, John K. Hale, and Fiona Tweedie, JOHN MILTON AND THE  
> MANUSCRIPT OF
> DE DOCTRINA CHRISTIANA (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2006)?
>
> If time is more pressing, then go with Michael Bauman: yes.
>
> DE DOCTRINA CHRISTIANA is being edited for the new Oxford Complete  
> Works of
> John Milton; John Hale is the volume editor for that volume.
>
> Best
> Tom Corns
>
>
>
>
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