[Milton-L] Is Paradise Lost

Yuko Nii wahcenter at earthlink.net
Tue Apr 14 14:20:40 EDT 2009


I am not the greatest speller. That's for English professors. They did  
not systemize it until recently anyway. But I guess names are not to  
be violated. Too personal. Best, Terrance, Terenec, Terrence
On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Tony Demarest wrote:

> Please- it's ALLAN- sort of like mixing their and there
>
> Tony
>
> From: wahcenter at earthlink.net
> To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Is Paradise Lost
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:08:30 -0400
>
> The Fate of the Very Greatest
>
>
> “I have sometimes amused myself by endeavoring to fancy what would  
> be the fate of the individual gifted, or rather accursed, with an  
> intellect very far superior to that of his race. Of course, he would  
> be conscious of his superiority; nor could he (if otherwise  
> constituted as man is) help manifesting his consciousness. Thus he  
> would make himself enemies at all points. And since his opinions and  
> speculations would widely differ from those of mankind – that he  
> would be considered a madman is evident.  How horribly painful such  
> a condition! Hell could invent no greater torture than that of being  
> charged with abnormal weakness on account of being abnormally strong.
>
> “In the like manner, nothing can be clearer than that a very  
> generous spirit – truly feeling what all merely profess – must  
> inevitably find itself misconceived in every direction – its motives  
> misinterpreted.”
> EDGAR ALLEN POE
>
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:58 PM, James Rovira wrote:
>
> Well, yes, the consciously inane or the convincing inane or the ironic
> inane.  But the earnest inane...
>
> http://classicpersuasion.org/pw/longinus/
>
> Jim R
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Nancy Charlton
> <ncharlton2009 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nancy -- why would you expect a definition of greatness from people
> who think the question is inane?
>
> Sometimes even inanity deserves to be taken seriously.
>
>
> Longinus would be a good starting point here, wouldn't it? Emphasis
> on the experience of reading for reader, seeking qualities within the
> text which provoke that experience, objectifying a subjective
> experience, etc.
>
> This is getting somewhere, even if it veers over the line into  
> psychology,
> which is seldom sublime and often the opposite. Refresh my memory:  
> Longinus
> wrote "Peri Hysous." Was it Pope who parodied it with "Peri Bathous"?
>
> --Nancy Charlton
>
> Jim R
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Nancy Charlton
> <ncharlton2009 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I can't believe it! A community that includes most of the best and
> brightest
> in Milton studies caviling over a non-issue we'd rap our students'
> knuckles
> for! There has not been one scintilla of definition of "greatness" or
> "poet"
> laid out in this whole discussion. The most that can be said is that  
> it
> at
> least makes us focus on this omission. And maybe not take it too
> seriously.
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