[Milton-L] Re: Milton-L Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3

Andrea Esther Fingar fingara1 at mail.montclair.edu
Fri May 2 20:03:56 EDT 2008


Thank you so much for the useful Bee simile info!
Andrea

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>   1. RE: Bee similie Pandaemonium  (Nancy Charlton)
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> From: Nancy Charlton <pastorale55 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [Milton-L] Bee similie Pandaemonium 
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> It might be worthwhile to look at Bernard Mandeville's "Fable of 
> the Bees." Though Mandeville (1670-1733) was born around the time 
> of Milton's death, his treatment of the political metaphors of bee 
> colonies turned the traditional ideas upside down, as he concluded 
> that without private immorality or amorality there could be no 
> public benefit. A side issue from Milton, to be sure, but a good 
> paper might be done on the evolution of this metaphor.
> 
> Somebody else write it, though; I'm thinking of actually keeping 
> some bees!
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> Nancy Charlton
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> From: Timothy Raylor <traylor at carleton.edu>
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> You should also look at a recent book called The Hive , by the 
> aptly named Bee Wilson. 
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> Tim Raylor 
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> It might be worthwhile to look at Bernard Mandeville's "Fable of 
> the Bees." Though Mandeville (1670-1733) was born around the time 
> of Milton's death, his treatment of the political metaphors of bee 
> colonies turned the traditional ideas upside down, as he concluded 
> that without private immorality or amorality there could be no 
> public benefit. A side issue from Milton, to be sure, but a good 
> paper might be done on the evolution of this metaphor. 
> 
> Somebody else write it, though; I'm thinking of actually keeping 
> some bees! 
> 
> Nancy Charlton 
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> Nancy Charlton 
> http://groups.google.com/group/paradiselostdaily 
> ...while Universal Pan 
> Knit with the Graces and the Hours in dance 
> Led on th' Eternal Spring. (IV.266-268) 
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