[Milton-L] Abdiel

Judith Herz jherz at alcor.concordia.ca
Tue Jun 24 16:03:47 EDT 2008


Eve, then Adam, as each begins the process of talking themselves into 
falling, hence the fractured self.  One can certainly claim, as I am in the 
process of doing in a related argument, that fracture is the name (or, at 
least, one of the names) of the PL game.
Judith Herz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gillum" <mgillum at unca.edu>
To: "milton-l" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Abdiel


> Incidentally, I thought Coiro's review was well done except that I was
> puzzled by this section. I wonder if there are other interior monologues 
> by
> unfallen characters in the poem besides Abdiel's at 6.114.
>
> About Abdiel following Satan initially: Satan instructed Beelzebub to 
> "Tell
> them that by command I am to haste. . . homeward. . . there to prepare fit
> entertainment. . ." (5.685-90).  So Satan's followers thought they were
> following God's orders. It's true that Beelzebub cast "ambiguous words and
> jealousies" (5.703) among his orders to the sub-commanders, but no telling
> whether these reached Abdiel.
>
> Michael
>
> On 6/24/08 2:12 PM, "Watt, James" <jwatt at butler.edu> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Michael:
>>
>> I am always amused by Miltonists who are determined to out angel his 
>> angels.
>> Here I am especially pleased to learn that Ms. Coiro believes that
>> subjectivity is a mark of the Fall (especially interesting in light of 
>> the
>> high degree of subjective and interior reflection manifested by the 
>> Elohim).
>> I wonder if gender is another mark of fallen subjectivity?  Or hell, what
>> about simple sex?
>>
>> Jim Watt
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>>
>> Not much discussion of Milton¹s poetry here lately. What are people¹s
>> reactions to these points?
>>
>> ³Abdiel is a decidedly mixed character >> capable of an interior 
>> monologue, a mark of fallen subjectivity; and he is
>> more zealous than brilliant in his argument with his fallen general. If 
>> there
>> is Miltonic representation here it is fractured and self-critical.²
>>
>> --Ann Baynes Coiro, review of Stephen Fallon¹s new book in latest MQ.
>>
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