[Milton-L] Abdiel (thought-sins)

Judith Herz jherz at alcor.concordia.ca
Sun Jul 6 18:31:19 EDT 2008


But.... Eve never says that she ate.  It is an action without agency.
Judith Herz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gillum" <mgillum at unca.edu>
To: "milton-l" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Abdiel (thought-sins)


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> On 7/6/08 4:44 PM, "Harold Skulsky" <hskulsky at email.smith.edu> wrote:
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> [snip]> As will be clear in a few short paragraphs, I have reason to doubt
>> that I ever identified Dream Eve with Eve.
>>
>> Call the series of dreamed events S. For Eve to dream that S is
>> happening to her is
>>
>>              (a) for Eve to be asleep,
>>              (b) for Eve to be encountering S-APPEARANCES but no
>> S-REALITIES,
>>              (c) for Eve to mistake the S-APPEARANCES for S-REALITIES
>>              (d) for Eve (as a result of (c)) to respond to the
>> S-APPEARANCES as if they were S-REALITIES.
>>
>> Given (a-d), it is Eve (and not a Dream Eve) who is doing the dreaming,
>> i.e., who is taken in  by empty S-appearances she encounters, and who
>> responds to the S-appearances in various ways < for example, by "damp
>> horror" and by irresistibly desiring apples she SEEMS to be seeing,
>> smelling, etc.
>>
>> In short, there is no conceptual work here for a Dream Eve to do <
>> [snip]
>
> Sorry to have misrepresented your position.
>
> A question: why does Eve in the dream feel an irresistible compulsion to
> eat? ("I, me thought, / Could not but taste.") Is that a normal response 
> of
> Eve, the person, or of any normal person, to the S-appearances of the 
> fruit?
> To me it suggests some difference between the dream-self and the proper
> self. If we suppose that some of her responses are being manipulated, then
> she is not quite herself.
>
> Michael
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