[Milton-L] Piled stones

Angelica Duran duran0 at exchange.purdue.edu
Mon Jan 21 12:14:51 EST 2008

Dear John,

What a great list.  Here¹s my two cents¹ worth...

At the Sinnott Memorial overlook at Crater Lake, Oregon, a plaque
commemorates the important, successful efforts of the namesake
Representative Nicholas Sinnott to make Crater Lake part of the National
Park system in 1902. To give his fellow representatives in the U.S. House in
Washington D.C. a sense of the grandeur of the Lake, he quoted from Book 1
of Paradise Lost. Crater Lake appears

To me a shell-hole of a war of worlds ­ who knows? Could the great blind
poet have seen this marvel ere his pen had Lucifer and his host of rebel
angels ­ 

         Hurled headlong from the ethereal sky

         With hideous ruin and combustion down ­
In Miltonic imagery here he¹d have found the impact.


Angelica Duran
Associate Professor
English and Comparative Literature
Purdue University
500 Oval Drive
West Lafayette, Indiana 47907
(765) 496-3957
<duran0 at purdue.edu>

> From: John Rumrich <rumrich at mail.utexas.edu>
> Reply-To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:28:32 -0600
> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Subject: [Milton-L] Piled stones
> I'm making a list of buildings that have Milton's words engraved or
> otherwise more or less permanently inscribed on their walls--like the
> NYPL and the Chicago Tribune building.  Any help out there?
> John
> On Jan 16, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Derek Wood wrote:
>> I could not reply at the time -- too long to explain.
>> 1. Do you really mean 'despair'? The implications of despair in a
>> Christian world and those in  the Roman
>> world are such that I wonder if you can compare them. cf. Dido
>> wandering around Hades after her despairing suicide compared with
>> the terrible claustrophobic metamorphosis of Pier delle Vigne in
>> the Inferno . . .punished for all eternity. Surely Oedipus despairs
>> in the Tyrannos and blinds himself so that (terrible reason) he may
>> not see his parents for all eternity in the afterlife. But he
>> punishes himself for incest; he is not punished for a sin of
>> despair. Despair is the most terrible sin, the unforgivable sin in
>> Christian teaching. In Roman times it can even be honourable.
>> 2. Samson does not despair. He is not in a state of sin. He has
>> earlier gone through all the stages of regeneration as Milton
>> explains them in the Doctrina; (in Adam we see these stages clearly
>> realised: recognition of guilt, contrition, repentance etc) Samson
>> does long for death, and calls for it repeatedly This is a lament
>> as is Job's sorrowing cry. The lamentation is not sinful or
>> despairing in either case..For despair see Redcrosse's experience
>> in Faerie Queene Bk 1.
>> Derek.
>> Derek N. C. Wood,
>> Senior Research Professor,
>> St. Francis Xavier University,
>> Canada,    B2G 2W5
>> e-mail: dwood at stfx.ca
>> phone: 902-867-2328 (w)
>>            902-863-5433 (h)
>> fax:      902-867-5400
>> web:     http://www.stfx.ca/people/dwood <http://www.stfx.ca/people/
>> dwood/Welcome.html> /Welcome.html
>> ________________________________
>> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu on behalf of Kemmer Anderson
>> Sent: Thu 15-Nov-07 11:28 AM
>> To: John Milton Discussion List
>> Subject: [Milton-L] Sophocles and Samson
>>> While sitting in Brian Hampton's class the at UT-Chattanooga,
>>> listening to him read the opening speech of Samson, I heard the
>>> voice from Ajax, a speech performed by 2 classes of students a few
>>> hours before. Those "rousing motions" (SA, 1182) (Richard DuRocher's
>>> 2005 paper) went off in my head. The "I am lament" (Ajax,468) speech
>>> from Ajax, the despair of Samson echoed through my head.
>> I just spent a whole period hammering out Samson's speech to my class
>> who are performing and reading Ajax after reviewing his actions in
>> the Iliad, comparing the Hebrew God with the Greek gods. At the end I
>> said write a journal entry comparing the despair of Samson and Ajax.
>> What I see now is the following: An essay comparing the despair of
>> Samson, Ajax, and Philoctetes. Should I pursue the essay with my
>> students? I hear the echo from the prison, the cave, or the tent.
>> What do you all think?
>> Jefferson at 16 and 17 filled his commonplace book with quotes from
>> Samson Agonistes. Somehow this is the way of educating young
>> Americans.
>> Thanks for stirring my wonder during the Miltonic musings at
>> Murfreesboro.
>> Kemmer
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